00;00;00;00 - 00;00;27;00 

Andy Richardson 

Hey, are you lacking any inspiration right now in the AEC profession? I guess so. Well, I've got a killer episode for you. This episode is a good friend of mine, Stoney Londono, and he's a mechanical engineer. And the episode is called De Donde Eres, which gives a hint to his origin and his background. And toward the end of the episode, we really get into some inspirational aspects. 

 

00;00;27;03 - 00;00;45;28 

Andy Richardson 

So we're going to discuss that, but we're also going to go into what he does. He's a mechanical engineer and MEP, mechanical, electrical and plumbing. And we really get into the nuts and bolts of what a mechanical does and so forth, and also some of the specific aspects of the low country where we are like the humidity and other things. 

 

00;00;45;28 - 00;01;03;00 

Anthony Richardson 

So we're going to learn, we're going to get inspired and we're gonna have a good time too. We have a few laughs. So it's a good episode. You may have to stick around toward the end for the inspirational part, but the other parts will be very educational and also entertainment as well. So that's what we had to look for today. 

 

00;01;03;02 - 00;01;29;06 

Andy Richardson 

My name is Andy Richardson, and I've been doing this 26 years as a structural engineer. And I'm on a journey right now still, to learn more about the AEC industry, what are architects, engineers and contractors on the across the aisle? What are they doing and what can I learn from them? And I would I'm doing interviews with other professionals to find out more about them and also why they're doing what they're doing. 

 

00;01;29;09 - 00;01;33;23 

Anthony Richardson 

So I want you to come along with me on that journey. Let's get started. 

 

00;01;38;12 - 00;01;45;21 

Intro 

Welcome to enhance, an AEC podcast, where we learn the why behind AEC professionals so that you can learn your why. 

 

00;01;45;21 - 00;01;52;00 

Andy Richardson 

So the first thing I want to ask you, Stoney, is “de donde eres?”.  

 

 

00;01;52;00 - 00;02;10;26 

Stoney Londono 

De donde eres. So I was born in the mountains of Columbia, a small city. We're actually a medium sized city called Canada, right in the middle of the country, in the, just the perfect, tropical weather. 

 

00;02;10;28 - 00;02;45;24 

Stoney Londono 

75 degrees all day long. A little bit of rain here and there, but beautiful mountains. And so that's where I'm from. Okay. Awesome. And, did you know you were going to be, like, an engineer growing up? Was that something that you would aspire to be or. No, I wanted to be a pilot or an astronaut. But along the, I guess, the science lines, but never thought because, maybe later we'll discuss this part of mechanical engineering is a part that nobody knows about. 

 

00;02;45;27 - 00;03;17;26 

Andy Richardson 

So I kind of ended up doing this, almost by accident. Right. Okay. So, yeah, tell us a little bit about, like, how a little bit about your background and then how you got into mechanical engineering. So I, I came to this country when I was 17 years old, actually 16 years old. And, my mother had lived here, quite a while before I came to live with her. 

 

00;03;17;26 - 00;03;49;05 

Andy Richardson 

I was living with my father after they divorced and I went, and lived in New York City for eight months. Right away I went to, English as a second language school. And for eight months I went to a single English as a second language school. And then one day on TV, I saw, commercial for the Harriers and the Marine Corps and back in those days, you would send up, send, postcard even there was no interwebs. 

 

00;03;49;08 - 00;04;09;00 

Stoney Londono 

So you said that postcard. And two weeks later, the recruiter was at my house, or the recruiter called my house and he was at our door. And then I think two months later, I was on my way to Parris Island. So that's how I ended up. And before South Carolina. Okay, now there's a couple things. So yes, a little bit of an ongoing joke we have about the interwebs. 

 

00;04;09;00 - 00;04;27;11 

Andy Richardson 

But one thing maybe some people may not get that joke, but the other thing is Parris Island, South Carolina. So that's for those of you that may not know that's where they make Marines, or at least on the East Coast. There's two basins. So he went through Parris Island, South Carolina, and went through boot camp. Right, right. 

 

00;04;27;13 - 00;04;52;17 

Stoney Londono 

So then, I left for four months. I went to my trade school for the Marines and Lakehurst, New Jersey. And then they send me back here. And I spent the five years of my Marine Corps career basically before, except for a few deployments, I spent nine months overseas. And then, pretty much here the rest of the time. 

 

00;04;52;19 - 00;05;18;18 

Andy Richardson 

But the whole time, back to how I ended up in engineering. You know, if you're good at math, somebody is always telling you that's what you should be. And I always enjoyed math, and it was easy. It came easy to me. So, but, I decided to become a mechanical engineer after I left the Marine Corps and, at that point, I already had a family. 

 

00;05;18;21 - 00;05;40;01 

Stoney Londono 

And, so I commuted to Columbia from Milford to class. Yeah. So the Columbia, the Columbia connections. Right. Then I went to, and that's one of the things, when I say, people ask me where I'm from, I always say from Columbia Lowcountry, because if I don't say that, people who grew up in Columbia, the city will say, oh, really? 

 

00;05;40;04 - 00;06;02;16 

Stoney Londono 

What school did you go to? Or, you know, or do you know this place? But I always have to say, Columbia, the country here in South Carolina, my dream, though, was to be a mechanical engineer because of the construction side of mechanical engineering, something nobody like things mechanical engineers are a part of. So I was going to school working part time. 

 

00;06;02;16 - 00;06;28;03 

Stoney Londono 

I was a bridge operator down the street, and, while I was going to school. And then I started working for an architect, here in town, Allison Ramsey architects. Okay. And then, because they did some commercial work, I met, mechanical engineer, and that's how I eventually, after graduation, I started working for him, and that's how I ended up. 

 

00;06;28;03 - 00;06;53;05 

Stoney Londono 

And this this part of, mechanical engineering industry. Yeah, but the state in Beaufort, right here. Where? Parris Island. Right. Well, the whole timing and school, you know, the dream was to design the latest, Corvette transmission as a mechanical engineer. That's kind of where my. Yeah, yeah. Or the, the next, jet engine for McDonnell Douglas or whoever it is. 

 

00;06;53;08 - 00;07;18;09 

Stoney Londono 

But having a family, it kind of just, there was a job available. The things, you know, the things lined up. And I ended up working in mechanical engineering in the construction side of the business. Right. And what? So. And by the way, so this, this episode and really the podcast as a whole, I mean, the audience is people in the AEC community at large. 

 

00;07;18;09 - 00;07;42;16 

Andy Richardson 

So. But that includes architects, other engineers, mechanical, electrical. But there might be mechanical that are working on corvettes, but most of them are in the AEC community, the building community. But you may have architects or contractors that don't really know what an MEP engineer do or don't don't really understand. In fact, I'm a structural engineer. I don't understand a lot of what you guys do. 

 

00;07;42;16 - 00;08;07;16 

Andy Richardson 

So maybe help understand a little bit about that, a little like what does a and you're doing all three right. You're in right. I so this engineer that I started working for, I went to work for them as a mechanical engineer, and he was an electrical engineer. So through the 12 years working with them, I learn, the electrical side of engineering. 

 

00;08;07;16 - 00;08;28;14 

Stoney Londono 

So, and the firm I work for, we did mechanical, electrical and plumbing. We dabble in structural for a little bit, but, we decided it best to leave it. We had a structural engineer in-house, but we decided best to leave it. Yeah. Now, there's a funny story behind that. We might have to come back to that one, but, 

 

00;08;28;16 - 00;08;54;23 

Stoney Londono 

Anyway, so, trained as a mechanical engineer, I spent 12 years working for an electrical engineer, and that's how I picked up that side of the, And so when I went out on my own, my company is, we do all three services, so mechanical, it's basically the, A3, AC part of the business. Heating, ventilation and air conditioning. 

 

00;08;54;26 - 00;09;28;07 

Stoney Londono 

Which, it's it's sort of the most complicated part of the three for us because of where we are, how humidity. And, each building is different. There's many factors, in my opinion, that make the mechanical part, the more complicated of the three, then we do plumbing engineering. We don't do steam, but we do sewer and sanitary sewer and water. 

 

00;09;28;09 - 00;10;01;21 

Stoney Londono 

There's distribution. And then on the electrical side, we do power and lighting for commercial building. So my niche is medium to small commercial buildings. We do a little bit of residential here and there, mainly for, mansions, large size homes. And sometimes it's, It's funny, it's for a retired engineer, usually because for some reason, they want it to be designed by, by an engineer. 

 

00;10;01;21 - 00;10;20;23 

Stoney Londono 

So that's sort of what we do. Mechanical, electrical, plumbing. Okay. And the mechanical tends to be the more challenging, you know. You know, like one thing we talked a lot about is, of course, we're in the South, so that's a challenge. Probably. But we also assume it. Well, not just the south, but hot and humid conditions. 

 

00;10;20;26 - 00;10;28;22 

Andy Richardson 

Makes it a challenge for certain parts of buildings. Yeah. And then, also, you do a lot of kitchens, I think.  

 

00;10;28;26 - 00;10;41;22 

Stoney Londono 

Right. We do a lot of restaurants. Yes. Yeah. Restaurant. Yeah. So that's a challenge in itself because, a restaurant, it's a system not just, you know, everything that goes into a restaurant is part of the Hvac design. 

 

00;10;41;22 - 00;11;01;12 

Stoney Londono 

And so it's a system that has to work together. The exhaust hood and the make up, air fans and, the air conditioning and all this has to work together, for the system to work, right? Yeah. In fact, there was a job recently you were telling me about where, you may want to elaborate into that. Like the. 

 

00;11;01;14 - 00;11;25;26 

Andy Richardson 

It had too much air conditioning, originally from a different engineer. And then you redesigned it. Yeah. I mean, you may not want to give the specifics, but. Right, right, right. It was a kitchen. It was actually, supermarket. Okay. Where, it turns out the, refrigeration equipment in the space, contributes to the cooling load. 

 

00;11;26;02 - 00;11;52;02 

Stoney Londono 

And so if you, if it's not accounted for, right, it can create other problems. The problem with air conditioning is that too much is bad. More. More is not better, I guess is the right word to say more is not better. Maybe a bigger beam is not necessarily better, but it's not worse. Yeah, but in air conditioning is actually worse. 

 

00;11;52;02 - 00;12;11;05 

Andy Richardson 

Okay. Yeah. Can you explain? Because I think that's interesting to me because, I mean, I've understand what you're talking about, like the short cycling, I think you call it. Right? Right. Yeah. Explain. So, we're kind of getting this part of it is like we want to get into some real depth on certain aspects, and then we want to get into some y stuff too. 

 

00;12;11;07 - 00;12;33;14 

Andy Richardson 

But this is the type of stuff I want to do just like, talk about the granular. So yeah, I get get into that a little bit. So the industry standard is to designed for 95% of the time they'll be concerned. And it just happened in the past two weeks and two hottest weeks of the year. 

 

00;12;33;16 - 00;13;06;04 

Stoney Londono 

We don't design for those. We designed for 95 degree, here in South Carolina. Yeah. So, on the 105 degree days, your buildings will be a little warmer, but, if we were to design for those two, two weeks or whatever the time length is, it would be a more expensive system. And it would also, unless it's a sophisticated system, then there would be problems in the mild months, the middle of April when it's just 75 degrees. 

 

00;13;06;04 - 00;13;30;28 

Stoney Londono 

But as humid and later in the fall when the same condition occurs. So the short cycle that we're talking about is, you if too much air conditioning in a building will cool the building too quickly. And that's not a good thing because, first of all, the system turns on and off very often. We charge the left, the system. 

 

00;13;30;28 - 00;13;58;28 

Andy Richardson 

Then, the bigger problem is, we're trying to do two things in the hot, humid weather. We're trying to meet temperature, and then we're trying to meet the humidity requirements. So what happens when in short cycles, the system doesn't have the time to remove the moisture out of the air. And so it creates for, all the cool building but humid building. 

 

00;13;58;28 - 00;14;22;08 

Stoney Londono 

And, it turns out the humidity. It's a big part of the comfort. So if the humidity is too hot, even though the temperature has been met, the comfort is not there. And then you can create other conditions. Moisture accumulation will lead to mold and all this stuff. Yeah. Okay. And there so there's truth in the old adage of it's not the heat is the humidity. 

 

00;14;22;08 - 00;14;45;00 

Andy Richardson 

Is that what you're saying? Right. It's that part of it. There was a free somebody said in, in, in a conference and I always forget it, but yeah, it's, the corresponding dew point or something. I couldn't remember it, but yeah. So the humidity is important in the short cycling. So, you need a good mechanical engineer and you need good electrical and plumbing engineers as well. 

 

00;14;45;02 - 00;15;00;08 

Stoney Londono 

I guess so. Back to that for a second. I call it how we. uh miles. You know, when you're trying to buy a car with high miles that low, but they're high with miles. They're not city miles. You know, the, the idea is that you're not stopping and going. Yeah, all the time, which is bad for the engine. 

 

00;15;00;11 - 00;15;18;24 

Stoney Londono 

Same with the air conditioning in the middle of summer. You want this thing running, you know, on it's 100 degrees. Even though we designed for 95. The thing is going to run. But you want to run it all the time. Person is doing his job. It's cooling and airflow. Removing all this moisture. Yeah. So highway miles is what I call it. 

 

00;15;18;26 - 00;15;45;23 

Andy Richardson 

Meaning it's it's good mileage. Meaning. Right? Right. You want the system running for a long period of time instead of five minutes every ten minutes for an hour. Yeah. And another thing too, if people are really interested in, you know, energy and those type of things like right now, with the technology we have, I mean, when I built our house, I guess about almost 20 years ago, I don't remember the they call it the seer rating. 

 

00;15;45;23 - 00;16;04;24 

Stoney Londono 

Right. So like, it was like a seer of 11, but now we're up to. What are we up to now? 13 is the minimum, but, you know, code minimum is, not the best. You want to do better. The higher the seer, the better efficient the system is. Yeah. We, you know, the industry has evolved to the point. 

 

00;16;04;24 - 00;16;42;29 

Stoney Londono 

What? You can get to the nth degree of sophistication, and you can create whatever system you want or buy whatever system you want. Just just a matter of what your budget, your budget will allow. So you can, you know, you can design for those 105 degree days. Yeah. Let's just, whether our budget will allow and then you'll still have to meet the energy, you know, requirements, not just energy requirements of, of the code is what I mean, not just the energy requirements of you don't want to pay too much electricity. 

 

00;16;42;29 - 00;17;08;29 

Andy Richardson 

You have to be energy efficient per the International Energy Conservation Code. So, yeah, you gotta find a balance in there somewhere. So, but for those watching, by the way, we didn't schedule the construction to be going in our adjacent room here, but I guess that's the nature of construction, right? So we're an AEC podcast, Enhance AEC podcast. 

 

00;17;08;29 - 00;17;37;06 

Andy Richardson 

And, obviously they're doing construction right outside, so that's the nature of it. But, so let's dig into a few other things. Stoney. I guess one question is, maybe a project that you're working on that's interesting. You have an interesting project that maybe you want to share some specifics about. Well, you know, that one that you mentioned, because it's a chat is a very you know, that's one of the more challenging projects. 

 

00;17;37;09 - 00;18;05;08 

Stoney Londono 

Because we're chasing, this point, we're trying to find out, so the problem in this building is that the coolers are sweating. And it's twofold, number one, if you're trying to look into the meat cooler, you can't see the meat, right. Because there's condensation on the glass. And the second part of it is and there's so much condensation, this dripping on the floor. 

 

00;18;05;11 - 00;18;34;22 

Stoney Londono 

So we are trying to chase the temperature and the dew point at which the coolers no longer sweat. Okay. So it's been an ongoing thing, and there's a very good HVAC contractor working on that. He's taking measurements every day, and he's doing all we can to find the relative humidity in the space at which the coolers won't sweat. 

 

00;18;34;24 - 00;18;59;27 

Andy Richardson 

Okay. So it's pretty interesting, you know, now we're getting into the signs of the thing. And some of that has to do with our local, our local conditions here in South Carolina, right? Yeah. Like the humidity outside and relative humidity, it's relative. It's sort of, the amount of water than it could carry a certain temperature. 

 

00;18;59;27 - 00;19;24;20 

Stoney Londono 

So, the temperature we want to be, we can only have so much water in the air at, and if we want to maintain 75 degrees in the space, we're trying to figure out what, the relative humidity. The maximum relative humidity has to be. Yeah. We're going to take a pause for station identification. 

 

00;19;24;22 - 00;19;26;04 

Andy Richardson 

I'll be right back. 

 

00;19;26;04 - 00;19;30;12 

Andy Richardson 

All right, so we're back from the station identification. 

 

00;19;30;14 - 00;19;54;04 

Stoney Londono 

That reminds me of, so in the summer, I would take classes and I would drive to Columbia, and I took a statistical class in the math building. Yeah, at USC. And so they were doing construction, while we're in the statistics class, and, had been a marine, you know, I was, I left the Marine Corps. 

 

00;19;54;04 - 00;20;15;17 

Stoney Londono 

I was in my mid 20s by then in a classroom of 18 year olds and the professor. And then we are in a class and they're hammering and they're throwing and they're banging, next door. Yeah. And nobody, the professor didn't know what to do. And like I said, man, I wish we could. He says, I wish somebody would go over there and tell them to stop. 

 

00;20;15;17 - 00;20;34;12 

Stoney Londono 

So I just got up and went over there and say, you guys need to stop. We're in the middle of class. And the professor chased me, because he was worried that, you know, these guys were going to be like, no way. But, you know, like, they were pretty nice. And they left. They spotted they were on a break. 

 

00;20;34;15 - 00;20;52;15 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

Yeah, but yeah, it was worse than this, actually. Yeah. Well, I went to bed and I hope I won't be rude to them, but, you know, it's just kind of like the worst possible time. Perfect timing, perfect timing, perfect timing. All right, well, so that was a challenging project. I don't know, I got distracted. Did we finish that one or. 

 

00;20;52;19 - 00;21;14;09 

Stoney Londono 

No. I think, yeah. We're chasing we're trying to figure out, the manufacturer tells us that a 55, dry, wet ball temperature and 75 degree dry mold temperature. That the cooler shouldn't sweat, but they are sweating at that. So now we're chasing. Now we're trying to find the real number, with the cooler one. 

 

00;21;14;09 - 00;21;39;02 

Andy Richardson 

So I, so that's a challenging project for me. It's fun because we are. We're in the middle. We're doing the math. And a lot of times the projects don't require this level of math or hard calculations. Yeah. You know, this is beyond the software. Now we're outside the software, doing it by hand. 

 

00;21;39;02 - 00;22;11;12 

Stoney Londono 

And. Okay, going back to the things we learned all the other challenging projects from your churches, for instance, churches, I do a lot of medium to small size churches. A church is a challenge because it's, mostly unoccupied for 95% of the time. Right. And then, for three hours on Sunday is for, and may not before, every Sunday, but, come Easter, it's overflowing. 

 

00;22;11;14 - 00;22;44;20 

Stoney Londono 

Right. And the way, and it's a hot time of year or two, right. Like it's starting to heat up. At least it's not necessarily hottest, but, you know, there's, there's, there's the moisture challenge. You know, the biggest thing with AC for us here in this hot, humid weather is the moisture. But it's a challenge because we designed for worst case 95 degrees, and 80% relative humidity. 

 

00;22;44;22 - 00;23;06;09 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

But that doesn't occur. Oh, in a full building. Right, right. But so, so now for 95% of the time, we have too much air conditioning, right? In a church which if you're not careful. Right, right. Like if you're if you don't do it. Right. So so that's a challenge. Yeah. So you know, that's a challenging project for us. 

 

00;23;06;11 - 00;23;30;22 

Stoney Londono 

Restaurants are always challenging. There's a hood. There's, you got to blow out and you got to make it up. You gotta bring it in a certain temperature or code, and then, you have a bunch of people, and, you know, it's occupied at night. It's full between, you know, six and eight. Yeah, but that's not the highest load. 

 

00;23;30;22 - 00;23;52;09 

Andy Richardson 

So, you know, that's another challenge, one for us. Well, and also like you're, you're coordinating between the architect, the contractor, the owner. There's cost implication. There's code implication. Right. I mean, these things you're talking about and I'm not mechanical, but from what I was talking before and my knowledge of it like the code has a minimum, there's been a lot of aspects. 

 

00;23;52;09 - 00;24;33;17 

Stoney Londono 

But on the other hand, you get the old thing of, well, why are we doing this? Why are we doing this? Like in a, in the church scenario or in the restaurant scenario? Why are we doing this huge, you know, Hvac system when quote unquote, we've always done it another way. That's the, that's one of the challenges, you have, and not to speak ill of anyone, but you have guys who have been doing things for 50 years and, you know, our church, we did air conditioning for our church 30 years ago with this, and it worked just fine. 

 

00;24;33;17 - 00;25;00;02 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

Sure. Why? Why are we doing it with that? Which is more expensive or bigger? You know, so now an architectural challenge. Where are we going to put this thing or where are we going to put this thing outside? Where is not this thing? It's ugly. How do we know, there's all kinds of coordination that have to take place, with the contractors because, you know, we can sit in an office and come up with the perfect design in our minds. 

 

00;25;00;02 - 00;25;23;09 

Stoney Londono 

Right. But then, we find out that the machine is not available, that we thought or, you know, there's a shortage of, you know, it'll make that electrical panel. It'll be, 42 weekly times before we get it. Sort of. There's challenges with the contractors, with the architects, with the other engineers. I have to get. 

 

00;25;23;09 - 00;25;44;05 

Stoney Londono 

I have to get a doc, a piece of doc from this side of the building to that side of the building. But I have to cross, the car across as beam. So now he has the plan. For now, he. I have to coordinate with him. So he has to plan for an opening in an address, let's say, so that we can get a 20 inch doc to the other side of the building so we can get the. 

 

00;25;44;05 - 00;26;06;12 

Andy Richardson 

Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing I know about mechanical engineering is, is you guys put holes in my beams, so I well, the first job we met on on Hilton Head Island was in 2003. Don't if you remember that these are the many others building. Yeah. The man noticed. We we met and, I remember because we had to coordinate and get his ductwork. 

 

00;26;06;13 - 00;26;34;26 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

It was obviously not his ductwork, but, through my beams again, not my beams, but, so that that was the first time I met Stoney, was back 20, 20 something years ago. So that was, that was a residential multifamily project. And those are a little more challenging because you don't have the luxury of, of, a lot of space in the ceiling in this building, for instance, we have 3 to 4ft in the ceiling, and we can put anything we want in there. 

 

00;26;34;26 - 00;27;00;08 

Stoney Londono 

But of course, we can't do that in, in a residential setting because, you can't have four feet of space between floors and for all the mechanical. So that's another challenge, right? It's an architecture challenge. And it's also an engineering challenge between the mechanical guys and the structural guys. Yeah. How do we squeeze all of that inside of a tiny space? 

 

00;27;00;08 - 00;27;27;06 

Stoney Londono / Andy Richardson 

It's sort of how you look at the engine on a new car. There's a million things in there, and you can never get to them, but they're in there. What? Also, you're doing that. That's the design. But then also, it's what we were talking about a minute ago, which is to communicate with these other trade contractors, the architect, the structural, everybody involved, not to mention the owner, which maybe like a board for the purpose of a church, for example. 

 

00;27;27;08 - 00;27;49;11 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

So these are challenges. How do you navigate all that? Well, it's communication from the beginning with everybody. Really? First we find the needs of the clients and the wants of the clients. Oftentimes the client has done this before, and, you know, we like it. When is their second or third building? And we know what they liked in the first building, what they didn't like. 

 

00;27;49;14 - 00;28;13;23 

Stoney Londono 

So that's one way of communicating with them. It's nice if there's already, a team, a construction team, because we can communicate with them and find out. They can tell us, well, we don't like X we like Y, they would prefer to work with this. And then of course, if it's, code complies with code, we don't have a problem with it. 

 

00;28;13;25 - 00;28;42;00 

Stoney Londono 

So coordinating with the trades, it's really big. Have a design. You know, ever since Covid especially, I've designed a bunch of buildings with the electrician that's come back to us and say, we can't do that 1200 amp, disconnect because it's a 42 week lead or whatever. So communications are really, big part of that from the beginning, especially with the client, because in the end, if he's happy, everybody's happy. 

 

00;28;42;07 - 00;29;08;26 

Andy Richardson / Andy Richardson 

Yeah. That's true. And I like the way I like, and I think is the last guy I work for. He said, if our systems, if you don't know that, are there. We did our job. Nobody cares. But the air conditioning, until it doesn't work. Right? Right. Yeah. Nobody cares about the same or the electrical. If you plug in your computer and it works, everybody's happy, right? 

 

00;29;09;00 - 00;29;31;10 

Stoney Londono 

But if there's breakers popping all the time, then, there's a problem. So we want to make sure to make the client happy and that he never has to worry about our systems. Right? I mean, that's know until the machine fails, which eventually will happen. You know what? I will sell, in ten years, and the air conditioning will fail. 

 

00;29;31;10 - 00;29;45;27 

Stoney Londono 

And 15 years. Yeah, but that's the nature of it. But other than that, we want zero, you know, and there's a little bit of engineering we put a little fat in and just to make sure, but not too much because more isn't always better.  

 

00;29;45;10 - 00;29;50;27 

Andy Richardson 

Well, some people think we over engineered everything, right.  

 

00;29;50;10 - 00;29;51;27 

Stoney Londono 

That's true. That's true. 

 

00;29;51;27 - 00;30;29;15 

Stoney Londono 

I imagine you hear that like, we don't need a 12 inch beam. I've been doing it with a six inch beams for 30 years. Right. Exactly.  

 

00;29;45;10 - 00;30;27;27 

Andy Richardson 

So that's part of it. All right, so let's go a little to the lighter side. Briefly. Since we've been talking a lot of technical. So, you know, thinking about whether it's, you know, we went over an example earlier of a funny story, but maybe you have other another story that you could share or a scenario that you could share that happened in work or in engineering over the past, over your career, something that that maybe the audience would like to hear a funny story. 

 

00;30;29;17 - 00;30;58;17 

Stoney Londono 

Well, okay. And listen, I want to talk about structural engineer then, our structural, you know, we decided to get into structural engineering, because it turns out clients like somebody who can buy all the services in one place, you know? Yeah. A client would prefer to have an architect, a structural engineer and an MEP, a mechanical engineer, an electrical engineer in the same place that we're reasonably one of three places. 

 

00;30;58;17 - 00;31;26;00 

Stoney Londono 

So we thought then that it would be a good idea. And we found an engineer who was looking, you know, but this guy came from industry, you know, from the manufacturing industry where you can just design whatever and tell the guys in the shop and they'll build it for you and then won't ask questions. Right. You know, if the engineer, if the engineer says, okay, then it's okay. 

 

00;31;26;00 - 00;31;29;28 

Stoney Londono 

So, 

 

00;31;30;00 - 00;31;53;03 

Stoney Londono 

We thought he knew what he was doing, you know? And so we did this restaurant, and I don't know the name or the exact creek, but it's right at the bridge between Bluffton and Hilton Head. Okay? It's on the right. It's on this big giant piers. And he designed these piers, concrete. 

 

00;31;53;06 - 00;32;15;03 

Stoney Londono / Andy Richardson 

Yeah. And we get a phone call that say that, you know, the builders are out there like, hey, we have so much rebar in this pier that there's no room for concrete. Well, okay, so, you know. And was he still around? Are you still around? He's still around.  

 

00;32;15;03 - 00;32;40;09 

Stoney Londono 

You know, structural engineers. You know, they're a unique bunch. But he was unique among. You know, he was rare among even more unique, unique people. He lived in, Aiken, not Aiken. He lives somewhere in Georgia. He drove down here and he spent the week on, short term rental or hotel. Yeah, he got a room for the weekend. Like the a kind of lodge. 

 

00;32;40;12 - 00;33;05;03 

Stoney Londono / Andy Richardson 

Yeah, yeah, I went back. Yeah. And I think, I think he lost money on working for us. Yeah, because he had spent all his money on a hotel room. Right? Yeah. Right. Right. And driving and driving and all that. So I, you know, and then last I heard, he was driving, he left the engineer and he was driving, water truck, you know, the water. 

 

00;33;05;06 - 00;33;27;03 

Stoney Londono 

Yeah. Culligan. He said, forget this engineering business. He was driving the Culligan trucks. And I think I have a friend. I went to school with. I drove to school with. Yeah. You met the. And last I heard from him, I may have passed away. But, you know, the part is that it was very. 

 

00;33;27;06 - 00;33;47;29 

Stoney Londono / Andy Richardson 

We got into something we didn't know much about with a guy who did, who knew, probably knew less than us. And so it just became. Yeah, a nightmare. Yeah. And that's just funny. He went and drove a water truck after. Yeah, I guess it drove him. The drove him to that point. Engineering drove him. I forget this zero. I want to think about zero. 

 

00;33;48;04 - 00;34;05;01 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

Yeah. And some days I think I feel like that too. Yeah. It's a lot is a line and on that is, you know, that was the trucking company, number one versus the America. It was the trucking company when he said they were about to get kicked out of, helping in school. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's. 

 

00;34;05;01 - 00;34;27;18 

Andy Richardson 

That might be us. If we're not careful. Yeah. All right, well, let's go a little deeper now. And, wanted to find out because the purpose of the show is really Enhance is to understand, like, you know, obviously a little bit about you, your, your background, what you're doing, but also and, and you always have a funny story or two but really want to answer the why question. 

 

00;34;27;18 - 00;34;49;13 

Andy Richardson 

You know, you actually gave me the great video from Simon Sinek, right, right. Remember that. And he talks about your why. And so this is kind of similar to that. Like why this is the genesis of the podcast, the core of the podcast, which is why are we doing what we're doing. You know, what gets you up in the morning? 

 

00;34;49;16 - 00;35;08;23 

Andy Richardson 

And what are you doing to create 1% better for, for the world? And it sounds a little bit hokey, maybe to some, but to me, it gives us a why? Why are we doing what we're doing? So do you have something like that that helps drive you and push you in what you do and like vision for what you're doing each day? 

 

00;35;08;27 - 00;35;45;20 

Stoney Londono 

I think, I couldn't put it in a sentence, you know, something drives me, obviously. And it's just, you know, beyond doing something that provides for my family, obviously. But what I think has to be beyond that. I just want to. I don't know that I'm making the world better. I want to do better, for my client. 

 

00;35;45;23 - 00;36;15;08 

Stoney Londono 

I'm trying to provide the best product for my clients. So that they can be better. Yeah, right. So it's. I'm taking that. So engineers are supposed to be problem solvers. You know, I'm taking away their problems so that they concentrate on doing what they do best. So they don't have to worry about the things that I do. 

 

00;36;15;10 - 00;36;37;00 

Stoney Londono / Andy Richardson 

So that's kind of the way I see it, I don't know that I could write a paragraph and yeah, I mean say eloquently but yeah, I thought that was very I mean, I thought I was very good and and who are you? I mean, are you work for architects normally, or…  

 

00;36;37;00 - 00;36;56;17 

Stoney Londono 

I would say 75% of of my clients are architects. Yeah. About 20% are builders, and then 5% is directly the owner that comes to me, somebody who knows me, like, hey, I want you to do this. I'm. I'm doing this building, and I want you to do this because I've seen what you've done here and there. I've been doing this in Beaufort County for 25 years now. 

 

00;36;56;18 - 00;37;25;17 

Stoney Londono 

Yeah, I graduated in 1999 and started doing engineering for 25 years. So I've done enough projects that people know me, and there's enough of a sample of what I've done that people, some people like it, and that's how they come to me. I've had clients that I've had from for the entire 25 years. They stay loyal for me. 

 

00;37;25;20 - 00;37;54;07 

Stoney Londono 

And I have clients, one time clients and, that's just doing one project in their lifetime. But the majority is architects. Yeah. Okay. And we, you know. Beaufort, Bluffton. And Hilton Head is the majority of where my clients are.  

 

00;37;54;09 - 00;38;22;24 

Andy Richardson 

And so the work and and working for architects is like with your with your why statement. And the way you, the way you phrased it, because it's, it's we're not directly, we're working for them. Right. We're working for the architect and we're holding them up. We're supporting them and their decision making. So it's that's part of that's part of what we're trying to do, too, is it's not just the building, but we're also helping more, helping coach and guide the consultants to the architect in that scenario. Right. So that's part of what you're doing as well. Right?  

 

00;38;22;26 - 00;38;51;06 

Stoney Londono 

Right. Yeah. So a building, it's a system of, you know, it's everything that has to work together. So we just where there's a little part that makes that building pretty building work.  

 

00;38;51;06 - 00;39;08;19 

Andy Richardson 

Yeah. And I'm in the same boat. I mean, we're structural, so I. My goal is most of my clients are architects as well. So my goal is to get out of the way, like, like you said earlier, they shouldn't really have to think about what we do. It should be easy for them. So that's one thing we can do is just that. And ‘enhance’ means a lot of things to a lot of people. Right. Like, for you, I think that was a great way to say it. 

 

00;39;08;21 - 00;39;30;17 

Andy Richardson 

But for others, it may mean something different. And so it's a generic way. So moving in to just, you know, this is your opportunity to tell a contractor, an architect across the aisle and what's, what's one thing that would help them, moving forward? Maybe, maybe it's a contractor architect or it's, I mean, advice from an engineer. 

 

00;39;30;18 - 00;40;03;23 

Andy Richardson 

Yeah. So the engineer across, what's one thing that might help an architect or contractor or one thing they might not know about what you do that would help benefit their work each day.  

 

00;40;03;23 - 00;40;34;15 

Stoney Londono 

Plan for us. Yeah. Plan for us, meaning? There are some big pieces of equipment that you have to account for. In, in the effort to make the spaces bigger. And it always, I think it gets overlooked. Sometimes it gets overlooked. The things that we have to put in the building to make it work, I think that's my only advice. I don't want to step out of my lane too much. Right, right. But, yeah, this is, But, we don't, we don't, design. 

 

00;40;34;17 - 00;41;07;14 

Stoney Londono 

We're trying to be conscious of all the things, especially cost, cost drives everything. The things we sell, like, we take into account, we're trying to meet the code, so we're not selecting this expensive piece of equipment because, we're getting the kickback like the doctor would for that medicine, right? Right. We, we're designing, the best way we know how. 

 

00;41;07;17 - 00;41;35;17 

Stoney Londono 

There is other ways. I mean, we're always will, I guess, communicate with us. We're always willing to talk and reconsider, our thinking. Sure. Because we're always learning. In the end, you know, if we're meeting the code and if when you hit that switch, the light comes on, then we're happy. It matters, but we're flexible about how we get there. 

 

00;41;35;20 - 00;42;00;02 

Stoney Londono 

Yeah. You know, there's room needs, a certain amount of air to stay cool in the summer. If we can deliver the amount of air, we're happy. Just. There's many ways of doing it. We propose a way, but we're flexible. And so, I guess, you know, that would be one of our qualities. I think we're flexible. Okay, I like flexibility, kind of. 

 

00;42;00;03 - 00;42;24;21 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

Right? Right. Flexible like that? No, but somebody reached out to me at a church. So reach out to me because somebody designed a church with very expensive equipment. Okay. And but he's not willing to come off of that, like, hey, we can't afford these machines or $50,000 each. That's all the ways of doing so. Somebody reach out to me. 

 

00;42;24;21 - 00;42;56;19 

Stoney Londono 

Can you give us an alternate design? And, I'm always conscious of not criticizing other engineers and their designs because I don't know what the parameters were when that design was developed. Sure. But when they reach out, you know, I could, it turns out this engineer is not flexible. He's stuck on that. This is the way it is, and I'm not changing it. 

 

00;42;56;21 - 00;43;09;05 

Stoney Londono 

I feel, I have an obligation to the client to meet his or his needs, you know, not just make the building work, but a building that he can afford. 

 

00;43;09;07 - 00;43;28;25 

Stoney Londono 

So in this case, the building will probably work, but he can't afford to build that building. So then if he over-designed, and I'm not saying that's the case in this situation, but if he over-designed a building, it'll never get built. So all this effort was for nothing. And the client didn't get what he wanted. 

 

00;43;28;27 - 00;44;03;04 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono  

Yeah. So what was the question? Something to tell. I know, I think that really helps. No, I like being flexible. Yeah, it helps, you know, so at least be approachable. Why are we doing that? So. And I can explain it. This is where we're doing it, right? If if, I guess if your contractor has can suggest the way that still meets code and meet your needs, then I'm happy to hear. 

 

00;44;03;07 - 00;44;24;22 

Stoney Londono 

And because I don't know everything. So I try to be flexible that way and try to be approachable. Yeah, there's contractors who call me about other projects, not mine. Like a, you know, this guy is doing this, you know, but he won't tell me why. What do you think? You know? So I want to be approachable and flexible, right? 

 

00;44;24;25 - 00;44;50;27 

Andy Richardson 

Okay. I mean, this I think that's a really good quality. All right, let's go to, let's go to a different aspect. And that's Stoney from, I don't know, a long time ago, the young Stoney. What would you tell him about your career? About life? Just anything that you anything like. If you had to give him advice, what would you tell him? 

 

00;44;50;29 - 00;45;37;23 

Stoney Londono 

Buy Apple? Yeah. I guess focus on the career. On the career I've been. You know, I've been blessed. I've been blessed. The opportunity has always been there, you know, and just to not ignore or to not overlook that or, you know, to be more grateful. It's. Yeah. 

 

00;45;37;25 - 00;46;12;07 

Stoney Londono 

I don't know, work harder. You know, it's it's hard to say. I've been very blessed. Truly. I've lived the American dream from a little kid, and, the months of South America. We weren’t poor, in the beginning. But, my dad decided to be poor. Yeah, as he got older, and so I've, you know, we always had a roof over our head, and we always had a decent all that. 

 

00;46;12;07 - 00;46;50;17 

Stoney Londono 

But, I worked my way up, and, never, I guess, regret, I don't know, that's the word never. You know, always, always. All the challenges I figure out a way to overcome the challenge. Yeah. You know, I, I, I had a family, but I wanted to go to school. Well, so I got a job working at midnight so I can drive to school. 

 

00;46;50;20 - 00;47;19;07 

Stoney Londono 

Yeah. I don't know, I've been blessed. I haven't probably take full advantage of all the opportunities nobody has, but, I've been lucky enough. Blessed enough that, I was able to turn from nothing to at least somebody who can provide for my family.  

 

00;47;19;07 - 00;47;38;26 

Andy Richardson 

Yeah. I mean, it's an amazing story, really. I mean, you, a lot of people don't know this. Like, you came to the US. You learn in our language. Obviously, but you were in the Marine Corps and you weren't a citizen at that time, right? So. And I didn't know that. But they'll let you be a marine, quote unquote, let you but the’ll let you can be in the Marine Corps and you don't have to be a citizen. I mean, you were so you're legally, of course, right?  

 

00;47;38;26 - 00;48;03;16 

Stoney Londono 

I was legal, I was a legal immigrant. I came through the airport. So back then, it was more difficult because to just come into the country, right? I mean, people were still jumping the border and all that, but, it took, it took about two years. 

 

00;48;03;18 - 00;48;28;08 

Stoney Londono 

It was, you know, it was an ugly divorce, and in order to leave the country for a child will leave the country. He has to have permission from both the parents. It's funny, when I left Colombia, I was 16 years old. I was moving here with my mother. But I had to had a written letter from her saying that I could, even though she was with me. 

 

00;48;28;10 - 00;48;52;17 

Stoney Londono 

But it took my father a long time to finally say that, you know, give her that letter. So I came here legally, but not, with a green card. And, my green card was actually pink. But in the 70s, when they were first issued, they were green. Right. So I was a legal resident. So it turns out that you can be a legal. 

 

00;48;52;17 - 00;49;13;14 

Stoney Londono 

You can serve in the military as a legal resident. Yeah. Okay. Right. So, you know, so you just jumped the border here from Mexico and they won't take you in until unless. And then there was the challenge of my education. In Colombia, there's 11 grades, not 12. Okay. But you learn more, because you learn less nonsense. 

 

00;49;13;14 - 00;49;42;01 

Stoney Londono 

So 11 grades. So my grades were from another country, and this recruiter did all the legwork. It turns out I lived in New York, so there was a lot of international things that could. So my records got translated and all that. And then I went to this English as a second language school. And, it was a free school for it was called Promesa. 

 

00;49;42;03 - 00;50;06;12 

Stoney Londono 

It means promise in Spanish, but it was an acronym for the Puerto Rican Organization to motivate and educate. Something, something. But, I spent three hours a day there, and they gave me subway tokens. Okay. They gave me two subway tokens every day so I could get there and get back. It was 15 blocks from my house where I walk, but I gave my tokens to my mom so she can take the subway, do her work. 

 

00;50;06;14 - 00;50;31;10 

Stoney Londono 

So I spent eight months learning proper English. Oh. You know, I learned better English than most people learn in high school. And then I go to boot camp, the Marine Corps boot camp, and they speak a whole different language. Oh, yeah. You learned some new words, is what you're saying? Well, they speak naval. 

 

00;50;31;12 - 00;50;51;03 

Stoney Londono 

Okay. Language. The porthole and the chow hall and the. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And for the first two weeks, I was just following people, okay? Because I didn't know what they were talking about. And of course, there's the, the, the salty language. Yeah. I mean, back then there was salty language. I think they had to do it with that. 

 

00;50;51;05 - 00;51;09;29 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

It's still pretty bad, my son... But maybe not as bad, maybe not as bad. So yeah, I learned English, in school, at a proper school. And then I learned English, you know, weren't going, gosh, yeah.  

 

00;51;09;29 - 00;51;36;17 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

And then you now you're raising kids. So you have. And they have a different type of English as well. Yeah. Right. And, and then, seven years ago, I finally became a student. So I, as a legal resident. Okay, as a legal resident. The only difference between a legal resident in, and a citizen is that you can't vote in a U.S. election or any any local. Well, I mean, I hear that kind of. 

 

00;51;36;18 - 00;51;56;14 

Stoney Londono 

Okay, they're trying to change that, but that's another story. But that is the only thing. Yeah. As a green card holder or as a born or naturalized citizen, the only difference is you cannot vote, okay, in any election. I mean, I pay taxes, I pay taxes, just like you. There was no extra taxes on me. 

 

00;51;56;14 - 00;52;17;03 

Stoney Londono 

There was nothing. There was no incentive for me to become a citizen. Although I read something yesterday that says that when you graduated from Parris Island, you become an American citizen. Okay. I just happened to read that. I didn't look into it. Yeah, it may be fake news. I mean, it makes sense to me, like you should. 

 

00;52;17;04 - 00;52;37;27 

Stoney Londono 

Well, a lot of people thought, And then I married an American citizen. So a lot of people thought that if you marry an American citizen, that automatically makes you an American citizen, that's not the case. You still have to go through all this, civics. You know, you have to pass an American civics exam, which most people would fail anyways. 

 

00;52;37;29 - 00;53;01;27 

Stoney Londono 

And then you have to, you know, they do a whole bunch of other background checks and stuff. But you still have to do it. Even though I was a marine, even though I was married to an American citizen, I still have to go through that whole process. And then, you know, I got more interested in politics, not becoming a politician, but just in politics. 

 

00;53;02;00 - 00;53;24;25 

Stoney Londono 

And I decided I wanted to vote. Yeah. So I became a citizen, and my, you can do it yourself. But you, if you do it yourself, you're going to screw up. So, Chris, who was in 305, right. Across the hall. Across the hall here. There was a lawyer who was in our building for a little bit, and he was our my immigration attorney. 

 

00;53;24;29 - 00;53;49;08 

Stoney Londono 

Yeah. Okay. I mean, you know, two months later, I was in Columbia getting my citizenship. I don't know if, you know, one of the guys from AG, Aneesh and it's. Yeah. Yeah, he and I became citizens the same day. Oh, nice and funny story about that I was around. It was the same day, the election and parole took place. 

 

00;53;49;10 - 00;54;12;24 

Stoney Londono 

Okay, so my wife had invited all my friends to one of the Mexican restaurants in Port Royal. And when I walked in as an American citizen, you know, everybody stood up and all my friends started clapping. Okay, so a lot of the people there thought I was the mayor, but I won the election for mayor of Port Royal. 

 

00;54;12;24 - 00;54;33;04 

Stoney Londono 

And for years, my granddaughter thought I was the mayor of Port Royal. Oh, wow. It was. She was really excited. And she was really disappointed when she found out I wasn’t the mayor. Yeah, Port Royal. Nice. So that's my becoming an American citizen story.  

 

00;54;33;09 - 00;54;52;10 

Andy Richardson 

I mean, it was really inspiring to hear about that and for me to see. I mean, this is a great country. You know, you mentioned politics. I know that I don't prefer not to get into that right now, but, I mean, really, the thing that I mention in is people you hear about people in the state of our country, and it it's not what people want it to be, it this and that, but it's still a great country. 

 

00;54;52;10 - 00;55;11;14 

Andy Richardson 

You have so many opportunities and it's a great place to live. I mean, we are like you mentioned, and we are blessed to live here. And that's really what that's really what I wanted to have is like a conversation about what inspires you, what drives you. And so I think you've done a lot of that today. And to share with everybody. But, was there anything else you wanted to share just in general about the inspiration or just anything else?  

 

00;55;11;14 - 00;55;41;23 

Stoney Londono 

No, I well, as somebody who became who had you know, when something's given to you, you know, maybe you don't appreciate it as much as if you earn it. So I feel I appreciate, you know, you know, I struggle when you ask me what, what do I tell my young self. 

 

00;55;41;24 - 00;56;17;06 

Stoney Londono 

You know I struggle with that because I've appreciated it. From day one I've realized how blessed I am from the beginning. Quick story. When the plane, I'm in a plane from Colombia to JFK. You know, when the plane touched down, the entire plane started clapping like everybody. At the time, I didn't realize, you know, and whether by clapping, you know, but at the time, I didn't realize it. 

 

00;56;17;06 - 00;56;43;12 

Stoney Londono 

Like, they knew they won the lottery. Well, you know, so, I mean, you remember when the Pope visits the country, he always kisses the ground. These people feel that way. Yeah. The appreciation, you know, it hit me later. I was 16 as well. I didn't realize the magnitude of that. So, like, now I appreciate it, you know? 

 

00;56;43;12 - 00;57;07;20 

Stoney Londono 

And I'm not special. Just, you see it from a different lens, you know, or through a different lens. How lucky we are. As bad as our people think our country might be, we're sitting here in front of this, or there's thousands of dollars of technology over here filming us. We have the luxury. We have the luxury of doing this. We have the luxury of, you know, we have the ability to do all these things, and there's nobody stopping us.  

 

00;57;07;20 - 00;57;28;08 

Andy Richardson 

Yeah, I mean, it's a great opportunity. You're an entrepreneur, you've raised a great family, you got a great wife, and you live, down and got, you know, a house, and you build another house, right? So you got a lot of cool things going on. 

 

00;57;28;09 - 00;57;48;10 

Andy Richardson 

I mean, it's really inspiring to me to hear about that and just the opportunity. We didn't really get into much entrepreneurship and business owner aspect. But that's part of what you do, too. And just starting a business and, and, as a, I would say probably more of like a solopreneur. But you do have some people that work with you. Right. I mean, you have to like, some of your family helps and things.  

 

00;57;48;12 - 00;58;08;27 

Stoney Londono 

Right. I try to keep it in the family. My son in law helps me. My other son, one of my sons, helps me. My daughter helps me. Yeah. From time to time. But you know about that. I became an entrepreneur by accident. 

 

00;58;08;29 - 00;58;30;22 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

Yeah. It wasn't planned per say, it wasn’t  planned. I was working for another company. They let me go, and one of the architects who worked there, Bill Chambers. Great guy. You know, as I'm walking out of there with my little box of things, he walked out and he said, you'll be alright, man. 

 

00;58;30;22 - 00;59;02;22 

Stoney Londono / Andy Richardson. 

A lot of people, a lot of people respect you. And like, a week later, I was in business. People were people. My phone was ringing a week later. Okay. Nice. Yeah. So. I have just been blessed because the opportunities have almost come to me. Yeah. The opportunity is there, you just have to grab it. Yeah. In terms of the business or just and just in general, you got to recognize this is an opportunity in life, right? 

 

00;59;02;24 - 00;59;24;04 

Stoney Londono 

Right, right. The best thing that happened to me was I got fired because they but besides, you know, my wife and my children. Yeah. Of course. But yeah. It was getting fired so that, you know, that door closed and a million doors open.  

 

00;59;24;04 - 00;59;42;15 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

Wow. That's cool. I so, so that's encouragement. I mean, a lot of. Yeah, I just so yeah, I, you know, I got a check. I got a severance check. I went to the Sprint store and bought me an Apple, an iPhone. Yeah. Because I needed a new phone as the first thing I did when I got fired. Very irresponsible. But I knew that I was going to need a good phone if I was going to run a business. Yeah. That's true. 

 

00;59;42;22 - 01;00;00;10 

Andy Richardson 

Yeah. Well, is there anything else you wanted to share with that podcast? No. I hope this thing takes off and then, yeah, we become legendary with episode one. Yeah. The legend, the man, the myth, Stoney Londono. Yeah. Glad to have you today. I do have one more quick question. Oh, so who do you guys play tomorrow? 

 

01;00;00;12 - 01;00;23;09 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

Are y'all playing this weekend? So the. You know, I don't even know, actually, but the Clemson's play Cliff and Clemson's with a P play Georgia. It's like the big game of the weekend okay. The number one team in the country. Yeah we got a rough game. It is the 15th ranked Clemson Tigers. 

 

01;00;23;11 - 01;00;39;09 

Andy Richardson / Stoney Londono 

Yeah. We're hoping we don't get too embarrassed. But the South Carolina Gamecocks are not ranked. But they play I don't know who they play. Okay. I don't get into the season until the season start. I have friends who, like, know who the third string quarterback, I mean, or who is recruited. And they texted me like, hey, we picked up this guy. 

 

01;00;39;09 - 01;01;08;24 

Stoney Londono 

And I'm like, yeah, I don't know who he is. Because, you know, that number one recruit never, hardly ever works out. We play, I don't know who we play, but in the words of Lou Holtz, it's the, the sisters of the poor. Yeah. You know, some Catholic college somewhere in the, it's either the sisters of the poor or some directional school, you know, southwestern in southwestern South, North Carolina. Yeah. But it's a small school. I don't even know who it is.  

 

01;01;08;26 - 01;01;29;17 

Andy Richardson 

Well, hope the best, but I'll be watching. Hope the best for you guys, and I'll be watching. Thanks, Stoney, for joining us today. Everybody will be back again with episode number two. We'll have another exciting and inspiring educational podcast. So listen back for that one and take care everybody. 

 

01;01;29;17 - 01;01;38;07