0:00 - Madeline
So would you rather be healthy or wealthy?

0:03 - Andy
I'd rather be both.

0:05 - Andy
Both? Yeah. But we talked about both today on the podcast with Buddy Tuchinsky, and he is a functional medicine practitioner. So you may ask, well, what has that got to do with the AEC industry?

0:19 - Madeline
What does that have to do with the AEC industry?

0:23 - Andy
Well, it has a lot, because as professionals in the AEC industry, we need healthy and wealthy. If you can't do your job effectively then you're not going to be wealthy and you're certainly not going to be healthy. So we talked a lot about that today, how to get the most out of your day, how to be productive. A lot of great tips about being productive, about being ergonomic. Those are some of the topics we talked about. What did you like about the episode?

0:52 - Madeline
The fact that I found most interesting was when he said it's better for you to smoke like if you were gonna smoke or sit for six to eight hours a day it's better for you to smoke which is like obviously you wouldn't want to do either but I just thought that was crazy because I probably sat more than that some days.

1:12 - Andy
Yeah for sure so and I could definitely relate to that we talked a lot about you know standing desks and we also talked about diet and so many other things and also he's a business owner so we did bit about that. A lot of our professionals that work in the AEC industry, they're business owners or, you know, moving up into that direction. So it was good to get some of that feedback as well. Right.

1:35 - Madeline
I really thought the whole episode is applicable to like everyone in general, like specifically to your genre of people. I guess that's probably not the right way to phrase that. But it's like all the different things that run with, you know, standing all day or sitting all day or, you know, the different things with how you hold your hands on a mouse and you know getting all these different conditions and how to deal with eating and all that. I thought that was really applicable to especially like engineers, architects, etc.

2:03 - Andy
Yeah and we did we talked about ergonomics and we didn't even talk about the trackball.

2:07 - Madeline
But I brought it in now on the preview so we had to bring it in at some point.

2:13 - Andy
Yes we did. But we stayed true to our we stayed true to ourself in terms of what we are which were enhanced the world around us is the name of the podcast, of course. And he focused on his why and his true north, he called it. So that was exciting and interesting to hear about as well. So those are some of the topics we talked about. Let's go ahead and- Jump right in.

2:36 - Madeline
Jump into it.

2:37 - Andy
My name is Andy Richardson, and I'm a structural engineer. I've been doing this for 26 years, and I'm still learning about so much about the AEC industry. Here at the A Enhanced we are learning about professionals in the AEC industry, their why, so that you can learn yours. Let's jump to the intro.

2:58 - Madeline
Welcome to Enhance, an AEC podcast where we learn the why behind AEC professionals so that you can learn your why.

3:07 - Andy
Hey buddy, welcome to the Enhance podcast and you sound like you've been on a few podcasts yourself and we known each other for quite a while so this should be a fun episode hopefully but I wanted to start out because there's a bit of a tie-in here you've actually this is your second episode on the enhanced proper one yeah but I wanted to sort of give the audience a little bit of a tie-in as far as the AEC industry and what you do and it was the first episode was our group here we had a few business owners that were in the in the meeting and I said hey you know I don't know if there's a tie-in but if there is you know talk about that it was mostly from a business standpoint but I was intrigued by how much you brought to the table that could help I think professionals in the AEC industry which is architects engineers and contractors so that's a bit of what I wanted to start off with is just you know explain to the audience, you know, what's your tie-in to the AEC industry, what do you do, and a little bit about yourself, basically.

4:21 - Buddy
Yeah, so my name is Dr. Buddy Tuchinski. I'm a chiropractor and functional medicine practitioner, and I found and operate an integrated medical clinic here in southeastern PA called Peak Integrative Medicine. And I'm a business owner myself, so for those of you that are business owners, this will probably resonate with you. But also, you're all professionals, so I'm in healthcare, you guys are in engineering and architecture, and it's a lot of high-stakes stuff. So with us, we're working with human beings, and we need to make sure we get things right and not make mistakes. In a way, you guys are working with human beings too, because if calculations are off, one, you might cost yourself or your company a lot of money, but it also could be a safety issue as well. So we need to be firing on all cylinders. So I think it'd be cool today to talk about the things that we can do to function at a higher level, because we're We're just kind of grinding along, grinding through the day, grinding through the weeks, months, and years, and we get caught in these kind of ruts where we're just eating the same things all the time, and if they're not the right things, then it's gonna negatively impact you, and if you're not keeping up with things like sleep and self-care, I know that stuff sounds boring, and that stuff sounds tough at times because we all got stuff to do. We got family, we got kids, we got activities, we got the business, so much going on, if you don't make time for yourself, you're not gonna show up for any of those places, any of those people very well. So I think that's a tie-in as far as your audience is concerned.

5:49 - Andy
Yeah, definitely. And also, don't forget the contractors. I mean, we have a lot of construction industry people, and that would include the project managers, but also the people in the field. So it's a broad range of people, but that would be our focus. So, I mean, a lot of office workers, so I think you hit the nail on the head with you know, whether your office or field, working at a high level is important. And I imagine, so your job title, can you give that to me again? I've known you for a long time, but functional medicine, what was the other title?

6:23 - Buddy
So I'm a chiropractor, is what I'm licensed in, and that's where I started this whole journey back in 2005. And I happen, so people think chiropractor, they think backcracker, or spinal back pain. And the school I went to in upstate New York, now they actually changed the name to the Northeastern College of Health Sciences. And what they do is they have a broad range of offerings. And back when I was there, it was mainly chiropractic. They just started offering some, like Masters in Nutrition, Doctor of Oriental Medicine, things like that. But they were positioning us as chiropractors to be like the natural healthcare providers of the future. Because especially at that time, we were kind of still stuck really deep into the medical model, which is fine for acute things, so things like heart attacks, really bad injuries, strokes, things of that nature, but relatively poor in the area when it comes to chronic illness or just optimizing health. Like you don't go to your family doctor to optimize your health, and you think you might, but really it's a process of disease screening and disease management, which is absolutely necessary and absolutely needed, but for those of that want more, and I've learned all this stuff from you as much as our patients, but it's about how can you feel better, deeper into our older years, our golden years as they call them, and so yeah, I really got into that, and then part of that is you deal with a lot of people, lots of different things. So, I'm integrative medicine, functional medicine, kind of the same name for, or different names for the same thing, and you tend to attract a lot of people where, like look, I've been everywhere else, I've seen every other specialist, you're my last resort, fix me. So over the years, we've had to get really good at trying to find ways and methods to help these folks out. So yeah, chiropractor, functional medicine practitioner, and just call me CEO and founder of Peak Integrated Medicine.

8:17 - Andy
Yeah, so business guru as well.

8:19 - Buddy
In a way, yeah. Serial entrepreneur, and I'm trying to, I'm a recovering serial entrepreneur, so I've had a couple gyms at one time or another. Health food store, which we're actually closing in the next couple of weeks to help me focus on the healthcare practice. And what else was I in? Chiropractic practice. We've done some online health coaching. I had a business there with a health coach, so trying to find my way in the world and what I really like to do. And so with Peak Integrated Medicine, there's enough variety in those cases and the different offerings that we have.

8:52 - Buddy
I think it'll keep me happy for quite a while.

8:55 - Andy
Yeah, awesome. It sounds like we've got a lot to talk about, buddy. I want to jump into this opener question and get some early information to the listener. What is the single smallest change that listeners can start implementing today that can have a significant impact on avoiding burnout and improving their overall health and well-being? Yeah, so it's one. It's a question I've seen before.

9:19 - Buddy
It's like, what is the single most thing that impacted your health the most over the past X number of years. And my answer is always dialing in my sleep and getting enough sleep. Traditionally, up until I'd say, maybe even like right around COVID times, 2020, 2021, I just saw myself as a night owl. That was my identity. So if I was awake, I was awake till like midnight or one o'clock. And then I, not an early riser by any means, but I get up seven, seven 30 or so. And it wasn't really well rested. I wasn't getting enough sleep. But the one change I made was I'd lay down by about 9 30 Maybe even a little earlier these days and lights out by 10 at the absolute latest it's usually earlier than that and that allows me to get plenty of deep sleep plenty of REM sleep and Just more better quality sleep overall and I'd say for a lot of people if you're not doing that yet That could be the single easiest thing to do. Yeah, you're up at night reading you're watching TV or doing whatever but it's just kind of wasted time and you're stealing away from your sleep and rest and recovery if you're doing that. So, yeah, get to bed on time, get a solid seven to eight hours of sleep, and that could be the biggest change for your health, personally.

10:35 - Andy
Okay, I mean, that sounds great, but we have a lot of project managers, architects, engineers, and they got jobs to get done. I mean, how do you balance that? And what would you say to them? I mean, obviously, I mean, you can't tell about the day-to-day work, but what would you say to somebody who's having to burn the midnight oil sometimes?

10:57 - Buddy
A few things. One, no, it's not going to be easy, especially in the beginning. But you just got to get a little bit better each day, each week, each month. And to that, I would probably say better organize yourself during the day. So you need to come up with ideas where you can streamline your processes, your personal to-do list to remove the distractions. Like we all take all these meetings, extra meetings on the course of a day. Do you really need to be doing them yourself personally? Are they really important? Is it helping you get to that next step in your job, your career, your life? And if the answer is no, then you probably shouldn't be having that meeting, even though sometimes it's nice to do that to help others out and you can always throw them in there, but not sacrificing your own health and your own time. And again, that's not easy. It's gonna take learning new systems like right now in our office like I was kind of going nuts the past few months here we've been getting busy and We didn't have good communication systems here in the office so I implemented slack which I'm sure a lot of you are are familiar with and That helps me go to sleep at night knowing that I'm not forgetting anything and it's keeping all the communications in one place so I think it's just a lot of that sort of stuff and especially if you're the business owner you're a manager where you have the Ability to do this is you need to start relying on your people more or hiring the right the right people to take stuff off of your plate, because you can't be everything to everyone, you can't be everywhere at the same time, and you can do that for a while, so if you're listening to this in your late 20s, early 30s perhaps, you said, hey, I'm fine, I can burn a midnight oil, I can get up early, I can get it all done, eventually it catches up with you, so I would just say, hey, set yourself up from the beginning, yeah, you might spend a few years early on in your career really grinding it out and getting a lot done to prove yourself into an industry perhaps, but there comes a point where you need to start thinking smarter, not harder. Work smarter, not harder, I guess is what they say.

12:53 - Andy
Yeah, definitely. Those are some good tips to implement. It's a communication challenge of realizing when somebody is putting something on you that you shouldn't be taking that on. Now you have to do it when it's really somebody else's responsibility. Now, it may really be your responsibility, but understanding your responsibilities is an important thing. Like, hey, especially when you're the boss, because we want to solve everything for everybody. Sometimes people don't realize that or think that, but you want to help your team out. You want everybody to succeed. You want your, in our case, projects to succeed, whether you're an architect, engineer, or construction manager. So I think that's one thing to keep in mind, but you made a lot of other good ideas, too. As far as sleep goes, is there a, did you already mention this as far as number of hours? How many hours should we go on for?

13:52 - Buddy
I'd say at minimum, seven hours seems to be the right spot for a lot of people, up to eight hours. You go too much, excess is no good, and too little is no good. As we age, we naturally need less sleep, so if you're maybe up in your 60s or above, maybe I get away with six and a half hours of sleep, but I'd say for most people, 70 hours of sleep is good. And one thing that I use to monitor my sleep, it's called an aura ring. There's different devices out there, but I can see what the quality of my sleep was the night before, how much deep sleep versus REM sleep I got. You can find out how eating too late affects your sleep, so don't eat too late, don't eat too late, because that does affect your sleep. That glass of wine or a couple beers right before bedtime, you think you fall asleep better, you don't. You might feel like you fall asleep quickly, but your sleep quality really plummets on evenings where that happens. So yeah, if you have the ability to get something like this, or a Wootband, or a number of devices out there, I would say grab one of those and see what your habits, how your habits are affecting your sleep.

14:53 - Andy
So what have you learned about, what have you learned from yourself, from that aura of RAINN?

14:58 - Buddy
One is, and this is different for everyone, so I'm not saying go out there and take any these supplements, but for me, if I do like a, it's called golden milk, like a turmeric tea with some ginger and some other like mushroom powder or whatever in there, it tastes pretty good. I just got in the habit of drinking that before bedtime. That will really like lower my heart rate overnight, which means my body's less stressed and my sleep scores will get much better. Same thing with magnesium and certain forms of magnesium. But again, it's different for everyone. So that's why I like having something like this that you can actually see that feedback basically the next day and see whether anything changes. Drastically in how your sleep quality was.

15:35 - Andy
Right, right, and I mean I'm not, this is not a medical podcast or anything, I mean but we're just helping out people with with some advice and you know I can tell you that I mean I've worked with you directly because you know getting into my late 40s and I put on a little weight in places I didn't really want to. I mean and so I was like you know I want to get a little tone but one of the things I liked about working with you was it we did the blood work and we were able to find you know areas that had deficiencies even weight loss aside it seems to be a significant aspect to get your blood work done and see you know like for example I had high iron content and low magnesium content. And I can tell you, when I take magnesium, I'm out. Because, I think it's because of that deficiency. I mean, again, that's why I put the caveat, this is not medical advice for me, but I'm telling you, this has worked for me. But, I mean, what is your thoughts about the medical, I mean, the blood work, and does that help with overall health at all, and finding deficiencies?

16:53 - Buddy
Yeah, we like to say, test, don't guess. Just to take a step back, so in medicine, so when you go to your family doctor on an annual basis, they'll run some basic labs, so basic blood work, and they're checking for a handful of things. They're called gateway tests, so if nothing's wrong on those quote-unquote gateway tests, then they usually don't go any further than that. The problem is that things have to be pretty far off before you'll start seeing abnormalities in that type of testing, and so what we like to do in functional medicine, and it's very simple, across the board like if you type in functional medicine practitioner near me and they do blood work it's usually going to be way more comprehensive and my conventional medical colleagues look at it's like wow that's that's pretty excessive but to us we're not looking at it to necessarily tell us if you have a certain disease or not but looking at different functions and looking at different nutrient levels because yeah it might not be in that range where it would be considered abnormal but it's suboptimal it's either higher than it should be or lower than it should be. Again, not to the extent where it would be considered abnormal or that would be flagged on a standard blood test report. But for us, it's nice because we can start to see more patterns there. We can catch things before there are problems or we just order blood work specific tests that they would normally not order in conventional medicine like magnesium and other blood work where we can see like, okay, you're starting to have some problems here. Yeah, we can wait another five or 10 years and then wait until you actually have problems. Or we can fix those things now and address those things now so that you feel better now and maybe not develop any further problems. Or at the very least, help your body function better than it should. So it's kind of like Olympic athletes. They're getting all sorts of blood work and they're trying to shave off tenths of a second. So they're really trying to optimize their function and how their body works. So why not have that for the average person so that we feel better and function better as well.

18:49 - Andy
Yeah, awesome. So there's definitely some benefit to getting that done. I mean, like I said, you're an athlete, you're a professional, you're trying to get the most out of your body and be productive so that you can go home and spend time with your family or do whatever you want to do. I mean, we don't want to work all day long. We want to be effective and get in, get out, get it done. So what are some other tips besides, I mean, obviously getting some sleep, keeping the oral ring, maybe getting some blood tests. Is there anything else that we could be more effective throughout our day.

19:19 - Buddy
I took getting some sort of movement in so if you're at the desk all day long I think they say the research shows that you really have about 40 to 50 minutes of like true like focus and then after that productivity starts to wane from there so I like to recommend that people set an alarm on their on their watch on their phone for every 45 minutes or so just get up and walk around for three to five minutes not that long kind of give you a little bit of a reset you'll get that physical activity and because our bodies are they're meant to move they're meant to work like traditionally if you think back over many thousands of years that we've been human beings on this earth it wasn't sitting behind a desk under artificial lights and just sitting stationary all day long it was moving around so when we don't have that things don't like there are certain things that our body does it doesn't happen so when we move around we're moving fluid around in our body we got lymph we got that detoxifies our body and if that's just getting congested that can start to cause problems We want to move our muscles, move our joints to keep them healthy so we don't develop things like arthritis where our muscles don't start to atrophy a little bit or stiffen up. We're putting a lot of stress on our spine, our posture if we're sitting there looking at a computer all day long. So standing desks are fantastic, walking pads are fantastic, or just get up, walk around the office, walk around the outside of the office if it's a nice warm day, get out in the sunlight. Movement is like really, really key to being healthy and in the body working correctly.

20:43 - Andy
Okay, awesome.

20:44 - Andy
Yeah, those are some good tips. I've definitely benefited from a lot of those things in my, in my, you know, career and in my senior setup, you got the walking pad, you got the standing desk.

20:55 - Buddy
So, okay, you saw that?

20:57 - Andy
Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. You were here because you were in studio last time. And by the way, my, my producer Madeline just showed up. You want to say hi to the audience? Say hi to Hi.

21:10 - Madeline
So this is producer Madeline.

21:12 - Andy
She just showed up. But yeah, so I've got the standing desk and I mostly stand, I would say 80% of the time. Maybe 20% of the time I have a little stool. I don't really sit on it like a traditional sitting. And then I do some of the walking pad. It's just hard to work, like actually do calculations. Yeah, you gotta mess that up and down.

21:37 - Buddy
I've run into that too. Myself.

21:39 - Andy
Yeah but I mean if you're on a zoom call it's perfect for that and then I've got this area over here it's kind of like in front of the window and I spent a lot of time here on this spot just like looking at messages on my phone and I find that to be another thing to help us just move around even if you're in the office you know maybe change positions and I was gonna say I mean I actually, about two years, I bought the Uplift Desk about two years ago because I was having back spasms. I mean, I was having really bad back pain and that's been a game changer. I mean, everybody wants to say game changer these days, but that was a game changer for me. It wasn't overnight, but I found that over time of doing the standing desk, other treatments, that I was doing, um, has really helped. I mean, I thought I was just done for and I couldn't really do anything else, you know, in terms of activities, you know, I was, I wasn't able to run as much and it really impacted my life. And it's because I was sitting down eight hours a day in bad posture. And, um, and, and it just stressed out my back basically, but sitting is bad for all sorts of like functions of the body.

23:04 - Buddy
including our heart function, lung function. And they say, while I read the study, but basically the summary of the study said, if you have a choice between sitting and smoking, or not sitting or not smoking, probably go smoke instead, because that's less harmful on your health than sitting for more than like six or eight hours a day or something like that. So it's pretty profound. So getting up and moving is huge. Now I don't do either, ideally. We have a choice not to do both, but yeah.

23:32 - Andy
Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. So yeah, I mean, one of the things I wanted to get into, tying in to that and the standing desk, et cetera, is ergonomics in both the office and in the field. What is ergonomics? I mean, because you mentioned that in the last show. What is ergonomics? What are some things we can do to be beyond posture and things to help us not have back spasms, for example? Or one of the things in the AEC, especially office workers, is the carpal tunnel. And I've seen it numerous times, especially people doing CAD all day, and they're on the mouse. But do you have any tips on ergonomics for people in this field?

24:18 - Buddy
Yeah, so ergonomics is just a study of how we react with our environment, usually as it relates to the occupational space, so desk setups, things like that. And so, yeah. Especially using the mouse. So you gotta make sure that you don't repetitively do something over and over and over again too much, and if there's ways to vary that a little bit. So some people, especially if they get severe carpal tunnel and at a point where even surgery doesn't help them, I know there's some voice prompt programs, and like these days you can do voice to text, that way you're not sitting with your hands and your wrists leaning against the desk and putting pressure on it all day long and then using a mouse the same way. There's different types of mouse setups where instead of the traditional where you're up over the top like this, you hold it like this, which is a much more natural position versus having that wrist turned downwards, which is putting a lot of torque on the wrist here and tightening up these muscles. So there are different, there are various adaptations that you can do there. When you're on a desk and you have the keyboard in front of you, I got to watch this desk that I have here because it's got a little bit of an edge on it and if I sit with my hands too close to the edge, like I'll see if it does it here, but you'll see it'll have like an indentation in my hand here, and that's putting a lot of pressure, but if it's here, that's a lot thinner. You don't have too much meat there, and the nerves are near the surface, so you can start to irritate these nerves, and it's not something that happens by doing it once or twice for a few minutes here and there, but it's, I think about 40 to 60 hours a week, week after week after week, that is there for several months or several years, and then by the time you get symptoms, you have the scar tissue, you have adhesions, you have irritation, and then it makes it a lot more difficult to get rid of So, yeah, mixing that up, making sure you're not putting, like, hitting those pressure points, and watching those pads, too, because I know there's, like, gel pads that you can get for in front of the keyboard and mouse, but sometimes they add more pressure to it, so you got that thick pad there, and sometimes you might be better off just having, like, something that's a little bit more flat. So, people are different, and shaped differently, built differently, so you just gotta find what works for you. And know the early signs too, so if you start to get a little bit of numbness, a little bit of pain, and it's not something that goes away within a week or two, don't let a week or two become a month or two, and then a year or two, because then it's very difficult for people like me to treat. Whereas you go get it checked out early, you can get in there and get some muscle work done, get some other therapies done, and get some stretches from your local chiropractor, physical therapist, massage therapist, get some work done with them too. Stay on top of it so it doesn't become an ongoing problem.

26:52 - Andy
Yeah.

26:52 - Andy
How do you know when, how do you know when something is, um, you know, you're, you're starting to have a little bit of pain in a certain area and it's like, is it, am I just being a wimp or am, do I need to call a doctor or a professional like yourself? Yeah. Yeah.

27:07 - Buddy
So it's, uh, self care is always the first option because a lot of things, like you don't want to run into a doctor, chiropractor, physical therapist, massage therapist for every little thing. Try to work it out yourself. So if you're exercising, stretching, see if you can work through it, see if you can work it out. There's all sorts of things out there these days. There's foam rollers, there's the TheraBalls, there's the vibratory percussors, there's all sorts of home devices that you could use, heating pads, saunas, red light therapy pads, all that stuff is great. But ultimately, if you try to work on it yourself and it's there, if the pain's like more than a five out of 10, I would say if it's there for more than like three to five days, make an appointment, go get it checked out. Because often, this happens all the time, I'll get a patient that comes in, it's like, how long have you been dealing with this pain? And they'll say, like, six months. So you don't want to let more than a couple weeks, I would say, for anything, that's when they get it checked out, especially the older you get. What I've noticed is you can get away with a lot in your teens and 20s, you can really beat up your body, you barely feel it, or you rest for a few days, it goes away. In your 30s, it takes a little bit longer, then you hit your 40s, and pretty soon you realize, hey, this hasn't gone away in like six months, and I don't think it is, so then you gotta go get it fixed and go get it worked on, and often you can still work it out, and who knows, when I hit 50, maybe we'll find out that there can't be fixed no matter what, but you always gotta give it a try.

28:31 - Andy
Which, I mean, and what's better, to go ahead and reach out to a professional, get it fixed, maybe you have to do some treatments, or to have to go get surgery done and be out for months or you know who knows what could be the worst case scenario but yeah I mean it seems like it'd be better to go ahead I mean I'm a little bit of a wimp sometimes because I'll start to feel something and I'll reach out to my physical therapist and I'll just text her say hey what should I do about this my knees starting to hurt you know or something like that and she'll give me some exercises to do and usually that end of the spear addresses it I would say seven out of ten times you know like if you just do some exercises and stop it early then it usually helps you know so I want to move into or anything else about ergonomics that you want to add in now just that like if you know like if here's a good here's a good measure of whether your workstation is affecting if you go away for vacation you feel pretty good to come back in here whatever pain comes back that's probably your workstation so check it out yourself if you need to bring in someone to help you out do that but yeah just get it get a check get it taken care of you might spend a couple hundred bucks to get an evaluation or have some have some advice to how to set up things or you might spend a couple hundred dollars on a standing desk perhaps but it's gonna save you a lot of time down the road not having to go to doctor's appointments have surgery etc yeah awesome well um also what What about the field? I was wondering if you see your patients, for example, do you see a lot of people that are in the construction field or maybe even architects and engineers that have some of these ailments? Are you seeing patterns, in other words?

30:20 - Buddy
Yeah. It reminds me of one patient I had where he was working the road crew and they were doing some work down here in the interstates about five miles south of me. They were behind schedule, so they were days a week, 10 hours a day, or maybe it was 12 hours a day at that point. And he had lifted up something heavy and threw his back out. And I was asking him about his work and all the other stuff, the hectic schedule, because we were trying to find time to get him in here. And he says, yeah, we're working all these hours. I said, oh, it must be pretty rough. And he said, it is. He's like, but my past job, I was a computer engineer, and I was at a computer 40 hours a week. And I literally had to go to the chiropractor three days a week, every week, or I couldn't function. So my point is, sometimes those admin, those desk jobs, those office jobs are harder on the body and cause more problems than even the more physical stuff. So I would say, by and large, I see more people who work at a desk than I do that swing a hammer and use a jackhammer and heavy equipment and all that stuff because, again, we're kind of built to work and move, and when we don't get that, things start to atrophy, things start to break down, and then we start to develop those problems.

31:29 - Andy
Wow. That was nice. The expected answer that I had. So that's why we had you on today.

31:37 - Buddy
I know one other thing too, like shoes.

31:40 - Andy
Especially if you're standing all day. I did find that was the downside is it shifts where if you're standing 80% of the day, now things shift in terms of the pressure. So I think having good shoes is probably good, right? What is your thought about that?

32:00 - Buddy
Yeah, I go to the therapist myself where I wear, like I'm in the office most of the time, so my shoes kind of look good for a while. They don't wear out easily. But then I find myself waking up in the mornings with plantar fasciitis, so I know, okay, I've had these shoes too long. And you don't think they're bad until, like you've had the same pair of shoes on for a year, year and a half, and then you go to get new ones, you put them on, and you can feel how snug they are and how supportive they are. So most shoes, sneakers, boots, et cetera, You're probably gonna get a good six months out of them I don't know if you'll get much more than that if you're a runner Or if you're walking or on your feet a lot you might even get less time Or what a lot of people do what I recommend is get up you get a couple pair at once and then rotate them So they last a bit longer so I believe I usually have like three or four pairs at any one time and I'll wear them for a year year and a half before they all seem to be Past their lifespan, but yeah, especially if you're getting foot pain the footwear has got to be the first thing that you gotta gotta take a look at Okay, so if you're a cheapskate, you know, because running shoes and shoes in general are they're not going any cheaper Here's a tip here's a hot tip Brooks Reese like I shouldn't say this because you're gonna steal my sizing But Brooks restart is the name of the website and Brooks sneakers are like 185 bucks at times 165 185 but they always have a 30-day return no questions asked I think they take those and put them on the Brooks Restart site for like 85 bucks. So if you want to save a few bucks there, you get great sneakers, expensive sneakers. But either way, you spend three, $400 on sneakers a year and do that instead of trying to stretch out an $80 pair for a year. Because you're either going to pay it then or you're going to pay it to someone like me coming and paying your co-pays and your office visits. So it's better off not to have the problem in the first place and spend a little bit of money.

33:52 - Andy
Yeah. Madeline, she's laughing because she's got the same shoes for three years.

33:57 - Madeline
I've got the same pair of shoes for three years.

34:00 - Buddy
So she's a little younger.

34:02 - Andy
If you don't have pain, you might get away with that, yeah.

34:06 - Madeline
Yeah, young back, young knees.

34:08 - Andy
I got to get rid of them, though, because they have no soul. So obviously, another one is going to be diet. I think that's probably a factor. I have here the question, many of your patients are dealing with issues caused by poor diet, lack of exercise, inadequate sleep. We've talked about sleep, but how do you address these lifestyle factors in your framework, and what kind of results have you seen?

34:33 - Buddy
Right, so in our practice, we're integrated medicine, so we tend to attract the people that have been everywhere else, tried everything, they're already on 10 different medications, and they're still not feeling well. That's why they're calling our practice. And I tell them, and this is true, The stuff that we're going to do like we have a lot of like kind of fancy stuff like the IV to be item in therapies We've hyperbaric chambers red light therapy stuff like that But like 80% of the the secret sauce so to speak is what they're gonna do for themselves and most of that is diet so And we don't like we're not like don't eat tofu and like broccoli sprout. That's it or like celery juice, and that's it It is like you to be your meats. So whatever meats you want to eat chicken fish pork, whatever I think all that stuff is fine meats and veggies if you get like four to six servings of veggies a day and then you have your proteins and That's at that in its simplest form. I think that's a that's a pretty good diet You don't need what you what you want to avoid is eating a lot of excess breads and pastas and cereals and grain like all that processed stuff made a white flour and corn flour and and Things like that because all that stuff is inflammatory it messes with your blood sugar. So if you just eat whole foods Like if you just shop around the outer perimeter of the grocery store Which is like your meats and then your dairy and then you're in your veggie your produce you're gonna do okay and occasionally my favorite foods pizza, so I'm out pizza about once a month or so and Enjoy the heck out of it and not have any guilt But if I eat that all the time, I would gain probably five pounds a week. My joints are inflamed I feel swollen and my brain gets foggy and That happens to me every once in a while where I kind of start to just go off the rails a little usually around the holidays, Christmas and New Year's. And then I just start to get just like general, just like I don't feel good. And then New Year's comes and it's like, all right, I'm going to commit. I'm going to go all in for about four weeks. And then every time I do that, it's like, man, I can't believe how bad I was feeling because you kind of get sucked into it where it's so slow and you don't realize how bad you feel until all of a sudden you feel good again. And that's for a combination of reasons. It's balancing blood sugar. If you're eating a lot of processed food, your blood sugar is going up and down all day long, which is a heck of a stress on the body. A lot of the processed foods are inflammatory so you're gonna retain extra fluid around your muscles and joints which don't make you feel well. It's gonna cause brain inflammation, low levels, so you can't think straight, you get foggy, you can't focus, you don't sleep well, so it just really affects a lot of things. And we've seen people go from having like rheumatoid arthritis, can't close their hands into a fist, they're on medications, within three weeks of cleaning up their diet to be off the medications and they feel pretty good. So it can be pretty profound. We even have people with MS, where they change their diet up, they kick out a lot of those processed foods, foods that are triggering symptoms, and yeah, it doesn't cure their MS, but it makes it, it basically puts it into remission for a lot of people. So it can be pretty powerful, and I tell people that, and I don't think they get it until they do it. I even talk to other medical providers, and I think they kind of think like, yeah, they can't do that much, but believe me, it does.

37:38 - Andy
What's one thing, I mean, it sounds As I'm hearing you say all that, it could be overwhelming to some people. I mean, is there an individual step, a first step people can take, or how do you make that first step?

37:51 - Buddy
Yeah, so there's a couple ways to do it. We like to have our patients go all in for the first couple weeks because it's such an obvious change, and then that really motivates them because they feel so much better within a week or two. Or if that's overwhelming, and that's not gonna happen, with a couple days a week like maybe you start with like every Monday you're gonna be perfect and you're only gonna stick to whole foods so that's your meats veggies fruits nuts and seeds like no other snacks or treat nothing like that no processed foods if you can get Mondays or every Monday you're good then a couple weeks later all right now I'm gonna do Monday and Tuesday then Monday Tuesday when I keep adding a day each week or every every couple of weeks and then maybe you get to the point where it's like you know what I'm gonna go for four weeks straight if you can get get most of the week pretty good. And that's where you start to see the really big benefits. And just getting it through your head that this is the way you should be eating most of the time. It's not a diet, because people will crash diet, or they'll go on our plan. And I haven't solved this yet. It'd be a million dollar idea if we could figure out how to get everyone to stick to it. But a lot of people will go on and get great results, and they'll be like, oh, I'm going to celebrate with whatever, and then eat whatever for a week. And then, so it's almost like a alcoholic where it's like all right I got 10 days sober and now I'm gonna go have a bender well you're more likely to stay off and off track after that bender than you are to get right back on right away so it's almost like you're feeding into the addiction and for a lot of people it is addiction and for a lot of people it is more than just like you might physically and mentally know like this is what I need to do but for some reason you can't follow it and if you need to see a counselor you need to work through some past trauma So be it, you get there, and because ultimately it's worth it in the end. Or you just commit yourself to it, you fall off the rails a couple weeks later, recommit to it, keep repeating that, and eventually each time you recommit it gets easier and easier and easier. And try not to get too, try not to be too hard on yourself, because we have a lot working against us when it comes to all of these habits really, but especially food. Because food, they call it comfort food because we grow up and we've all eaten a certain away for a long time. We have the food companies, marketing, advertising, the way they formulate foods. Nothing special in there. It's sugar, it's salt, and it's oil. It tastes good. It's yummy. It's so good.

40:11 - Andy
It's flavorful so that everything else seems like it's no good.

40:14 - Buddy
Like you go to eat a vegetable and it's no good, but once you break yourself from that for a period of time, you go back to that. It's almost like, okay, people that are like Coca-Cola addicts, they just have to have their soda every single day, break themselves from it for six and they go to drink it again it's like wow this tastes like straight-up syrup it doesn't taste good anymore so it's just all about resetting our taste buds resetting our habits and it gets easier as time goes on even though it might be very very difficult in the beginning especially if it's not traditionally the the way you've been eating yeah I mean you can you can really enjoy you know especially if you go into like three-day period where foods become enjoyable you know like a tomato with a little bit of salt on it if that if that's That's the only flavor you've had in three days.

41:00 - Andy
It can be so tasteful when you haven't had much oil or fat. Not that you would want to do that on an extended period of time, but if you're on this three-day thing that you were talking about, then it's really nice. Everything that you eat all of a sudden has so much flavor in it. Like I mentioned, the tomato or the chicken or whatever you're eating, food is good. Natural, whole foods can be really good.

41:26 - Buddy
And people often say like, well, I'm a foodie. I don't know if I could do this. Well, if you've watched like, I feel like I'm a foodie too. I love to eat. And my family, we like to watch the Bravo cooking shows like Top Chef and Chef's Table and all of those. And if you look at all the meals they're making, they're not making like sandwich and subs and pizzas. They're making like nice veggies cooked the proper way with like the certain, like the proteins are there. And so like good foodie stuff isn't really heavy sugary processed junk it's it's really good whole foods and you just need to find a way to either prepare them on your own which is a big big hurdle there for a lot of people but it's worth trying to teach yourself or when you go out to eat just trying to resist the temptation of getting your old favorites and try to go for that big chicken salad or even like a Cobb salad is really great or just like fish and Brock like fish like a fish and broccoli or something like that or a asparagus, and any restaurant you go to, instead of getting the starchy sides, just ask to replace with like the vegetable medley, or the broccoli, or there's usually a lot of other options when you go out to eat. So it's just pick your proteins, couple veggies, and any place will make that for you.

42:39 - Andy
Yeah, awesome. I mean, it sounds like definitely psychological, mental is a big part of it. I mean, you know, but it's good to have, it's good to have a good meal that is maybe like you mentioned the pizza, or I saw that you went to Austin and had some Q lately, which Austin probably has the best barbecue in the country, I would think, or pretty close to it. We in the South, we like our barbecue, but I gotta tell you that Austin was pretty good when I went out there myself. But I mean, I think the point I'm getting at is the psychological piece, and not, I mean, if you kind of go off the wagon, so to speak, or fall off the wagon, getting back on, You know, can you talk to that?

43:21 - Buddy
Some yeah, I think that's the biggest key is how quickly you can reset and get back on track Some people will beat themselves up and they'll say like like they'll go off track on like a Tuesday and they'll say like ass screw it I'll wait. I'll get back on track Monday. I'll recommit. Well, no get right back on track the next day. Yeah That's it's not always easy. But the quicker you can make that turnaround. It's kind of like I'll put it this way. It's like you're you're in the woods and you're walking through and you need to get to that certain point. And then you look down at the map and you realize like, hey, you're like 50 yards off track and you're heading like at a 45 degree angle away from the path that you were on. If you keep walking at that 45 away from that path, you're gonna get even further away. So why not just turn around and start to make a 45 back towards it? So same thing with our diet lifestyle too is if you find yourself off track, then immediately you get back on track instead of just saying, I'll put it off till next week or all my birthday's later this month So I might as well just this whole month shot and you do that enough the next thing, you know Like 90% of the year you're not doing the right things.

44:28 - Andy
You're not making any closer to your goals Yeah, awesome. Yeah, one thing I liked was I don't know if you've read the book By James Clear atomic habits. Yeah, that's great. And he talks about a little bit similar concept, which is I might be the type of Misses one day of something. Let's say whatever it is a diet or Exercise perhaps, but I'm not saying we got us gonna miss it two days So I thought that was a pretty good pretty good thing to do bring up at that point On the flip side of that people will say like I'm not a health nut.

44:59 - Buddy
I'm just not that type of person Well, you can be you just got to kind of reidentify yourself and pick a new identity and it's not easy But you just stick to it and say hey, I'm the type of person that but like you said on the flip type person that I'll go off track one day but not never two days never ever so that's why I call it my non-negotiables so is one thing where like sleeping non-negotiable 930 in bed lights out at 10 I get my water in every day I take my supplements every day so you could say non-negotiable this month could be I'm not touching a piece of bread there's just like take it out of your vocabulary for that month and out of your mind that no no matter what someone offers you're not gonna eat a piece of bread. So that when you come and see one, you're like, no, I'm not doing that this month. So there's different ways you can kind of pick your battles that way and give yourself a little bit of a mental edge, perhaps. I mean, what is so bad about bread, exactly, anyway? It's a problem when you're eating it like every meal, every snack. I mean, think about it. We get up in the morning and we're eating, so cereal's not bread, but it's still like grains, grain-based carbs, processed carbs, processed flour, I'll say. So it's either cereal, it's a bagel, it's a pancake, it's a cereal bar, carbs, carbs, sugar, sugar, hardly any protein, hardly any fiber, hardly any, no vegetables in that. And then for lunch, you have a sandwich, a sub, even a wrap. People think wraps are better. The carb number in a wrap, the number of carbs, grams of carbs in a wrap is probably more than most sandwiches, like regular bread, like two slices of bread. It just is flatter. And then, but it's still, by the time you wrap it all up, it's, It's just as many carbs. And then for dinner, same thing. We're having pasta, we're having French bread with it, we're having whatever. And so it's just that it's excessive. And yeah, if you had it once in a while, or even once a day, you'd probably be okay. But if you've had it five times a day for the past 30 years, you might need to avoid it for a little while in order to get where you want to go a little more quickly. So that's why we say like the breads, the pasta, stuff like that. It's just like a lot of people lost it's a privilege to have it in moderation, but they can earn it back by getting closer to where their goal should be, getting their blood sugar regulation systems back on track, getting their blood pressure better. Okay, you lose 20 or 30 pounds, you get off your medications, you're feeling better, you want to try to throw some bread back in, so be it, if you can handle it. So this is where I say know yourself because that one slice of bread or that sandwich leads to the next 10 days of sandwiches and bread and pasta and all that stuff, and maybe you just want to avoid it completely. And for some, it's better to 100% avoid it than it is to have it in moderation.

47:41 - Andy
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of wild because you look at, I like to watch 80s shows. And everybody in there is super skinny. And I just wonder what's going on with our diet in the country. And it just seems like you go to these restaurants and they just put all this pasta Bread and I wonder if that has something to do and like you mentioned just it's generally speaking It's just bread is thrown in on everything or some kind of grain is thrown in on everything So, I don't know if that's got anything to do with it, but I just I just noticed it seems like a trend Have you seen that same trend as well?

48:19 - Buddy
Yeah people people debate that and I've seen different studies like and different I guess Philosophies our theories on why that happens some people will say it's we're not as active as we once were We're not outside. We don't get enough sunlight. We eat too much sugar We're consuming too many calories in our drinks. We're eating like too many oils processed seed oils It's the vaccine we got too many vaccines too many toxins and I mean the bottom line is probably a little bit of all the above and all that affects our metabolism affects our cellular function affects our hormones and So it's probably not any one single thing. It's probably a combination combination of all the above.

48:58 - Andy
Yeah, okay.

48:59 - Andy
Well, we've hit the diet thing a lot, so let's move on to just general health practices. What are some of the challenges that you're seeing, generally speaking, in the landscape of, in terms of the general landscape of health care? And what are some opportunities that you're seeing or challenges?

49:24 - Buddy
Yeah, so I would say that the most common health issue that we see is we call insulin resistance, or they lose their ability to control their blood sugar, and the blood sugar maintains a much higher level than it should be on average. And that's inflammatory, causes damage to the joints, muscles, cause damage to the blood vessel walls, which ultimately leads to cardiovascular disease, heart disease, stroke, things of that nature. So just getting those processes processed carbs, sugars, lower in our diet, focusing on the meat and veggies, kind of all goes back to that, and getting more exercise to burn off the extra sugar and carbs and energy that they're bringing in, and just eating less calories overall for most people is probably a good idea too, because when we overeat, our body has to do something with that, and it usually gets stored as fat, so I'd say, we call it metabolic syndrome, so it's high cholesterol, it's high blood sugar levels, usually high blood pressure is involved with that as well, and that really, really does a number on everything else.

50:23 - Andy
Yeah, okay, awesome. Well, I'll try to get away from the diet, but it looks like we got right back to it.

50:29 - Buddy
It's tough, and it's one of those things where I feel like a broken record myself sometimes.

50:34 - Andy
I bore myself when I start talking about it, but really, it is that important, and people don't realize it until they do commit to a few weeks straight of doing everything just right, like you did, where you lost a bunch away quickly and I don't know did you notice any other like benefits like it was sleep energy pain etc the well because it's health I was just trying to think how to say it without being awkward but the I guess the intestinal tract felt a lot better a lot more smoother down there you know I mean there's not really many ways to say it it's just if I feel better I don't feel bloated and it's feel good I mean I really do and so like I'm a big fan and that's that's one of the reasons we had you on too so I mean because who wants to feel that way all day long and you know eventually you do want to eat a nice meal and you want to be able to enjoy it not feel bloated afterward so and you know every day do I want to go eat a big burger or something no but I mean it is nice to eat some nice meat and whatever you know every once a week or so I mean and I eat red meat I eat all that stuff but yeah I mean generally speaking that was the biggest benefit that I found aside from just you know feeling more comfortable in terms of the weight side so I want to talk about business a little bit I mean one of the things you and I are both a part of currently business builder camp that was one of the reasons you came down here to Savannah I'm in Beaufort, but we obviously came across the river and came to my office. As a member of Business Builder Camp, what are some business growth, innovation, or advice that could be translated over to the AEC business owners?

52:33 - Buddy
Good question. Leaving the health world for a second, I would say, Like for me personally, it's knowing my, we call it true north. So knowing like where do you ultimately want to be in your career, in your life, in your business, and then reverse engineering things from there. Because often when I sit at the present and try to look forward, all I can see is all the crap I gotta get done in a given day. And it's like you can't see the forest for the trees type of thing. But when I go out and I say, okay, in 10 years I want this to happen, so in 10 years if that's happening, I need this to happen and then work all the way back and then say okay Here's what I need to do by the end of the year Let's break this down in the quarters and then you break the quarters down in the months and then weeks and for some reason I don't know Maybe it's just me but it seems like something clicks when that happens and now I can see a true path forward and then a lot of that other noise like we said earlier you got these phone calls coming in and someone wants to meet with you a salesman comes in or contractor like new contractor comes in it's like add that It's not part of my ultimate goal. It's not part of my plan right now, so it's easier to start saying no to some of those things or starting to get those things off your plate. For me, it was, okay, if I want to be here, I know I can't do that alone, so I got to hire a team or I got to bring in a group of professionals to help me work on these people and deal with these people to build this business. For some of your listeners here, it could be you might be an architect by yourself. You wanna do this, you wanna be able to travel with your family as your kids are getting a little bit older, but you can't do that because you're the only one in the office, so well, naturally you gotta be able to hire someone else or have someone to contract that work to, so what does it look like to start thinking about or have those things in place, and then you start dreaming and thinking and spending time imagining, all right, how would this work, and how could this work, and then you start to get a little more clarity that way. So I'd say for me, especially over the past three or four years, that's been my biggest shift in thinking.

54:36 - Andy
Yeah, I mean, that's really interesting because one of the things we really like to key in on here is the why. And in other words, you've already started hitting on that a bit with your true north and understanding what that is. I mean, what is your true north in terms of what you do? I mean, why do you do what you do? What gives you a sense of enhancing the world around you, if you will?

55:04 - Buddy
My true north, I don't think it really is related to my career. I want to have time with my family. I love to travel. We started traveling the past, I'd say, three or four years. I like going and seeing different places. We like to do that more than having things. I don't have a lot of toys at home. I don't have side-by-sides or boats or anything like that. To Italy for a couple of weeks than have a side-by-side. And it's cheaper to go to Italy, by the way. So knowing that's in place and knowing my daughter's getting older, so time's more important to me now. I'm 46 years old. As I get a little bit older, time's way more important. So how can I free up my time? So what kind of business do I need to have or what kind of job duties do I need to have so that I can leave for those periods of time? So that's where I kind of work backwards from there. And okay, this is the type of business I need. I need a group of people. I need to be doing this much revenue so I can pay myself this, I can pay them that and keep everyone happy. And then kind of like parallel to that I guess is, and I don't know if it's probably a little bit different than True North, it's like what's my purpose? And so I feel like my purpose is to develop a system of healthcare or a type of practice where practitioners can be happy, have time to work with patients and then be there and have a better chance at helping them heal and helping them find a solution to their problems. So then I start thinking, well, what kind of practice, what kind of things do I need to do in order to make that happen? So I guess through North, the purpose is kind of similar in a way, but yeah, that's how I've been thinking about those things. And I like, I'm a problem solver, I think, and I think a lot of engineers and a lot of your probably viewers and listeners are the same, but I like solving problems and especially new ones. I don't like just to do the same thing every day, day in and day out. So I've kind of gravitated towards this type of career and practice because I get to do a lot of that in my everyday job.

57:06 - Andy
Yeah. I think that's really good. And I mean, because you've got like a parallel vision, you know, your personal vision, but we have to, we have to make a paycheck and you have a vision and a purpose for your work too. I mean, both are equally important. Some people, they have them combined, and you have two parallel ones. So that's okay. I mean, that's a good idea.

57:29 - Andy
My philosophy is life is short.

57:31 - Buddy
It shouldn't suck. I wouldn't say things are great all the time, and you might have to go through a little bit of suck to get to where you want to go, but if you find yourself, you're just not enjoying things. Again, it goes back to that time. There's only so much So you gotta make a change, make a change.

57:51 - Andy
Yeah, I mean as a business owner, did you have to go through some of those periods of just grind it out to get to where you're at now? What was that like,

58:01 - Buddy
I spent that, so this practice, we're starting like our third year and the first year was horrible. We were brand new, we didn't know what we were doing and I shouldn't say that, but we were still feeling our way through our process. We were trying to find the right right people, put them in the right seats. Um, we're trying to help people figure out what the heck we do. And, uh, so things were slow. We were burning through money and it wasn't fun. Like it was like waking up at 2am thinking like, what if this doesn't work? So, but I knew that my, I had a vision and I had confidence in that vision and I just kept the faith. And I remember sitting there to one day, I'm looking at my spreadsheets and my budgets wondering how the heck I was going to make any of that I felt like crushed and I just remember thinking to this day I remember where I was sitting at my home office and I said man This is gonna be so sweet once it works out and I'll say we have a long way to go yet But it is it is pretty sweet as it's starting to really we're starting to really hit our strides. So Yeah, I mean it's just you just gotta roll with the punches in this life and Make it fun and you have some bad times. You just got to think like hey if it wasn't for these and the good times wouldn't be as good.

59:13 - Andy
I don't know. Yeah, definitely. That's some good advice. And one thing I like, you definitely have that problem solver mentality, like you mentioned, and I think some of the, I mean, you almost could be an engineer probably. But, and also very innovative because the business model you have, I mean, being your original business was chiropractor, gym, Whole Foods. These are physical things right? And yet you have this business that has crossed over into the virtual. I mean you coached me via Pennsylvania. I'm not in Pennsylvania. I'm in South Carolina. We've met through this business community. So that's innovative. I mean could an engineer or architect do something like that? Or a contractor? How did you get into the virtual sales world?

1:00:07 - Buddy
A lot of that That was during COVID. I teamed up with a health coach, and we formed our own side company, and we started seeing people wherever they were. Most of our audience was local, but then we started getting, like, hey, my cousin lives in Maryland. Can you see them? So we did that. With our healthcare practice now, we can only see people in Pennsylvania, Florida, and Mississippi is where we're licensed. So that changed a little bit since I worked with you. But being innovative or trying things. I'm the type of person where if you tell me we do it that way because that's the way we always did it, then I hate that. I hate that answer for things. Because if it's not the best way of doing things, then why just do it because that's the way it's been done. So I like trying new things and that's what I like about being in business for myself. We can try, we can test things and a lot of times they'll flop. But sometimes you hit it right and things go really, really well, so I just love that part of this space where I'm not stuck in that insurance. That's why I don't take insurance, because insurance is very rigid, and a lot of people watching that has health insurance, you pay a lot for it, and you say, well, my insurance covers everything. Well, no, it covers what it covers, and you're not even presented the things that it doesn't cover, so I like to work outside of that system and use whatever we can get results with for our patients, so I like that, being innovative in that way.

1:01:32 - Andy
years of some engineers and architects out there and contractors who we love innovation in this space. I just learned this recently.

1:01:39 - Buddy
Isn't it called first principles? Is that the concept of just starting over without any knowledge of how things are done as if it never existed before? It might be more of a computer engineering term. Yeah, I haven't heard that one, but first principles. A concept of first principles concept or something like that, but I'll look that up and see where that came from where I'm from Yeah, sounds good.

1:02:02 - Andy
Well, hey buddy, we're out of time, so is there anything else you wanna share that we didn't hit on today? I think we about covered.

1:02:11 - Buddy
I feel like I wanted to get it all in, because I got so much to share, but I'll say this. So I'm a functional medicine practitioner, chiropractor, and I'm outside of the conventional system, and every day I talk to a lot of people who are, they've gone through the ringer, they've gone to all sorts They're not getting answers and then they they show up on our door and oftentimes we can help them So one thing I like to share at the end of podcasts like this are that if you're dealing with anything any chronic health issue Could be long kovat chronic Lyme disease mold mycotoxin illness autoimmunity Hormonal issues. I mean you name it if you're not getting good answers from the doctors you're seeing now then it's time to go outside that and get the second and third opinion if you need to and I'll make a pitch for ourselves and all of my My functional medicine colleagues, we look at things a little bit differently, so search for a functional medicine provider near you. There's usually some in all areas, or a lot work virtually, like we do, and like I said, we're available for people who live in Pennsylvania, Mississippi, and Florida, or are willing to travel to see us, but there are answers out there, and keep looking, because it's, like I said earlier, life's short, and you don't want to waste go out and find the help that you need if you need it.

1:03:28 - Andy
Yeah, awesome. Well, how do people find you, buddy?

1:03:31 - Buddy
I like this part too, because I like to say I'm the only buddy to Chinsky in the world that I know of, so if you search for me on social media and you see this face and you see that name, you're probably going to find it. It's Touching Sky, just how it's said with the Y. But we're also at Peak Integrative Medicine on the social medias, and if you are looking for a consultation and you're in one of those states I mentioned, gopeakmed.com will take you to my calendar, book a free call, we can discuss what you have going on, and then we can try to find you the right help, whether that's with us or elsewhere. And I want to thank you, Andy, always a pleasure talking to you, and a little bit of bonus here, I got to see in between some of our business builder camp stuff, so thanks for the conversation today.

1:04:16 - Andy
Yeah, it was a joy to have you on, buddy.

1:04:19 - Buddy
Alright, well take care. Yep, bye.

1:04:22 - Madeline
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